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Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by mrcharles on Monday July 23, 2012 @09:16AM (#4280765)
This article misses one of the main reasons for people to use OpenDNS/Google DNS, which is to prevent ISP hijacking of domain names or redirection of unresolved domains.

I personally use it because I am extremely uncomfortable with my ISP catching mistyped URLs and redirecting me to a page filled with ads, searches, and other bogus things.

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by nl on Monday July 23, 2012 @11:35AM (#4281450)
OpenDNS does redirection of unresolved domains itself. I don't see that as any better or worse than your ISP doing it.

(Google - of course - does the technically correct thing)

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by sandstrom on Monday July 23, 2012 @09:31AM (#4280834)
This is also the revenue model of OpenDNS (although I agree that they are less aggressive than some ISPs).
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by mrcharles on Monday July 23, 2012 @09:33AM (#4280842)
Ah, my bad. I actually use Google DNS because they don't hijack anything, which was my prime reason. I'd assumed Open DNS was similar.

That being said, I can still get behind at least choosing to let someone hijack those pages, rather than sticking with a company that does it automatically.

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by sp332 on Monday July 23, 2012 @09:46AM (#4280909)
At least you have the option of throwing a few bucks at OpenDNS and they'll stop filtering, or even add custom redirects/shortcuts for you.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by sgift on Monday July 23, 2012 @06:22PM (#4283346)
You don't have to pay them to stop filtering - just make an account and disable the setting (my information is a few month old, I've since changed to Google DNS - it is faster for me).
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by sp332 on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:24PM (#4284038)
Good to know, thanks.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by gioele on Monday July 23, 2012 @09:56AM (#4280955)
So you have to pay to get what installing unbound (Win, OSX, Linux) on your machine will give you for free?
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by sp332 on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:02AM (#4280981)
Not sure what you mean by unbound, but your Windows box does not have a DNS server installed by default. Most people depend on the DNS server that their ISP runs. If the ISP is doing unwanted redirects or filtering, or is just unreliable, you can point your DNS to OpenDNS which is fast and reliable. You can either use it for free and it will show you ads when you typo, or you can pay them some money for their service. (edit: expanded)
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by mcpherrinm on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:29AM (#4281131)
Unbound is a recursive & caching DNS server. You can use it to query DNS "directly", avoiding your ISP's DNS server.

At some point in time I'd have said this would increase your DNS latency, but given the poor level of service that many ISP servers provide, I don't think that's true anymore. Though I have no data to back this up, I suspect many home users visit a fairly small set of websites and so DNS caching would work very well.

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by sp332 on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:33AM (#4281154)
Oh I see now. OK so yes, you can either admin your own DNS server, or get an ad-supported version, or pay someone a small amount of money to do it for you. I think that about covers the options :)
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by SoftwareMaven on Monday July 23, 2012 @11:03AM (#4281304)
You get more than just "no ads". It also provides domain filtering, which is a nice feature with kids and a million internet connected devices.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by danielweber on Monday July 23, 2012 @11:25AM (#4281400)
In dealing with clients, I have found that DNS routinely sucks from nearly all ISPs. It seems the most important thing they put the least amount of resources into.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by nyellin on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:03AM (#4280990)
What country do you live in?

I have never seen an Israeli ISP do that. (Although, there were reports a few years ago that Bezeq intercepted .torrent files to add their own trackers to the file.)

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by polyfractal on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:08AM (#4281013)
I live in the US and have had Comcast do this to me before. I routinely use GoogleDNS because of that.

Also because Comcast DNS sucks horribly and times out with upsetting regularity.

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by ohashi on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:26AM (#4281113)
That is my experience with comcast dns too. Although, I have had some issues with google dns too on a rare occasion where I had to change back to something else (comcast or opendns) for a short while until google dns worked again. They never hijacked anything, but it just stopped working for a brief period.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by mikeash on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:36AM (#4281168)
Note that you can opt out of Comcast's DNS hijacking, although the fact that it's on by default is still pretty bad.

There is, as far as I know, no switch to make their DNS more reliable, though.

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by streptomycin on Monday July 23, 2012 @12:10PM (#4281655)
I have Cablevision and they technically allow you to opt out. But even after opting out, I still get that damned useless ad-infested search page sometimes, seemingly at random. I'm not sure if it's because of their incompetence of malicious intent.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by X-Istence on Monday July 23, 2012 @01:19PM (#4282014)
Comcast has disabled all DNS hijacking, and has since they implemented their DNSSEC validating servers.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by AjithAntony on Monday July 23, 2012 @03:30PM (#4282656)
Yeah, I think you are right. The "Domain Helper" options no longer appear in my accounts page:

http://dns-opt-out.comcast.net/help-index.php

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by staplesowns on Monday July 23, 2012 @11:31AM (#4281434)
If you're using Comcast Business, I've yet to find a way to do this. Comcast Support (email, phone, live chat) also have no idea. If anyone knows how to do it, please let me know.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by mikeash on Monday July 23, 2012 @11:48AM (#4281530)
That's crazy. You'd think the business version would have more customization available, not less.

I take it you've logged into your comcast.net account and the box to disable it isn't there for you?

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by mrcharles on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:15AM (#4281044)
Rogers and Bell in Canada both give you their own pages when you type a URL that doesn't exist.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by pault on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:14AM (#4281040)
AFAIK all of the major ISPs in the U.S. do this.
Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by amalcon on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:38AM (#4281178)
Verizon allows you to opt out of this, which incidentally I have done. These instructions are for FiOS, but I am proof that they work for DSL as well. (I still gripe that they don't tell people about this...)

http://domnit.org/verizon/

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by astrodust on Monday July 23, 2012 @10:44AM (#4281206)
Those ISPs will soon jack all your DNS traffic.

A lot of them already hijack port 80 and inject random junk in there which is why HTTPs is the way forward.

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by MiguelHudnandez on Monday July 23, 2012 @01:12PM (#4281980)
> "A lot of them already hijack port 80 and inject random junk in there..."

That's a pretty bold claim. Other than free wifi at hotels, I've never seen an ISP use transparent proxying to intercept pages and serve ads.

Do you have any examples?

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by astrodust on Monday July 23, 2012 @01:58PM (#4282200)
My provider at home, Rogers Cable (Toronto), will inject things in the pages you see when you're approaching your bandwidth cap. It's extremely irritating and somewhat worrying.

Basically they mangle the HTML and slap in their own banner which means they must be doing some kind of stream inspection and processing to manage this. I do not have a proxy configured, and requests don't indicate that this is being done.

Re:In a CDN'd world, OpenDNS is the enemy by voltagex_ on Tuesday July 24, 2012 @01:54AM (#4284521)
I would be VERY interested to see a packet capture of the same page when you're under and near your cap.