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Re:Hiring Cafe by scarface_74 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @09:14AM (#42804209)
Unfortunately, this won’t solve most of the problem with looking for a job - especially for remote jobs.

If you are applying blindly to an ATS, you have already lost. Every remote job literally gets hundreds of applications and if your skill is generic - ie “full stack developer” or even “I can do leetCode and got into BigTech” - it’s hard to stand out from the crowd.

Re:Hiring Cafe by juneyi on Thursday January 23, 2025 @09:25AM (#42804325)
This is only true if you have that kind of attitude.

As a bootcamp dev, with barely 3 yoe, I'm hitting around 10% response rate for recruiter screening (remote/hybrid positions). I put a boatload of hours honing and perfecting my resume + a few other strategies.

I think there's always a way to stand out as long as they don't follow advice/opinions from anonymous forums like HN or reddit. Lots of bad noise out on the internet.

Re:Hiring Cafe by scarface_74 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @09:49AM (#42804569)
Well, I have spreadsheets of my job hunts since 2012 - 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2023 and 2024. The job I got in 2020 just fell in my lap.

2008 was the last time I had to randomly apply for jobs because I stayed at my second job for over 9 years and had no network.

The only time I randomly applied for jobs was last year and the year before even though I had no expectations of it working.

My response rate from using local external recruiters that I had built a relationship with (before 2020) has been 100%.

I had three rejections between 2012-2020. Post 2022, my response rate through recruiters, my network and targeted outreach, has still been 100%. My success rate has been 5/7 for getting an offer - around 70%.

Re:Hiring Cafe by skulk on Thursday January 23, 2025 @10:11AM (#42804787)
how does one build a relationship with a recruiter? I stopped talking to them after I got a job, should I be poking them randomly asking how their kids are doing?
Re:Hiring Cafe by scarface_74 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @10:22AM (#42804891)
This was between 1996-2018 when I was working locally in Atlanta. Back when I first started working, often the recruiter would want you to meet in the office and a few would meet you at the job site for the interview.

As I moved up in my career, around 2014, they would actually meet me for lunch. In 2016, I started working with one of the same recruiters when I was in a hiring position to staff.

By then, when new to company managers, directors, CxOs (small companies) were looking for their first couple of hires and spoke to recruiters they knew, I became top of mind.

That was kind of my thing between 2012-2018.

When people say that remote work hurts early career people, this is one of the issues. People who have been in the industry for awhile can still lean on a network we built when people were working in the office and in the same city.

I have a few new people in my network since working remotely in 2020. But that wouldn’t even be the case if I hadn’t done a lot of business travel meeting coworkers between Covid lifting and late 2023.

Re:Hiring Cafe by pronouncedjerry on Thursday January 23, 2025 @09:20AM (#42804267)
So would the better approach be to target points of contact on LinkedIn and reach out?
Re:Hiring Cafe by scarface_74 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @09:39AM (#42804446)
That by itself doesn’t solve the problem. If you reach out to me blindly and your skill set doesn’t stand out from every other candidate, if I reply at all, I’m just going to redirect you to HR unless I already know you.

I don’t care if you said you were on the Amazon EC2 service team. I do care if you led a major feature on the EC2 service team and you can point to an YouTube video or a public blog post on AWS’s website explaining the feature.

I was looking for a job in both 2023 and last year. Both times my plan B was ordinary C#, Node or Python enterprise CRUD jobs where the company wanted AWS experience. I had 12 years of development experience on my resume (I’ve worked a lot longer) and 6 years of AWS experience including 3.5 working at AWS’s consulting department (Professional Services). I blindly submitted my resume to ATS’s far and wide including LinkedIn. Probably around 100 resumes.

I heard crickets. I never usually do this. But I didn’t have a job so why not?

On the other hand in three weeks…

I reached out to my network and that led to 2 full time offers and 1 short term contract.

I did a targeted outreach to two companies that had a “nice to have” experience implementing a popular open source official “AWS Solution” in its niche. Not only did I have experience with it, I was the third highest contributor at the time. This led to two interviews and one offer.

I accepted an offer within three weeks.

Last year when I was looking, it was about the same. But this time, I responded to an internal recruiter that reached out to me from the company I work for now. I got an offer again within three weeks.