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Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by rappatic on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:25PM (#42788993)
Good point, you are absolutely correct. Then I suppose life “with the possibility of parole” would have been a more appropriate sentence, though I don’t know if that’s typically given. In any case, I feel prisons ought to release prisoners if they demonstrate exceptional rehabilitation and remorse, as Ross has, though of course that’s a difficult line to draw in practice.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ascorbic on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @02:17AM (#42789997)
Life imprisonment – with or without parole – for a non-violent crime still seems excessive. If they'd convicted him of conspiracy to murder for hiring the hitman then that's a different matter.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by ty6853 on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @02:25AM (#42790047)
He only allegedly needed to hire a hitman because the government invented the whole blackmail scenario behind it. You can't make this shit up, Silk Road was extra evil because it lead to the government creating hitmen and reasons to use them.

We need gangster hoodlums on the street because lookie here sonny, an online marketplace is dangerous and if it isn't dangerous enough well feds will make it that way.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by Thorrez on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @10:00AM (#42793520)
>He only allegedly needed to hire a hitman

You don't need to hire a hitman when someone blackmails you.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by rbanffy on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @07:58AM (#42792316)
The non-violent crime part doesn't work for me. He acted as an enabler to countless violent crimes. That's quite clear.
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by naasking on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @08:30AM (#42792591)
> He acted as an enabler to countless violent crimes.

I don't like this argument of imputing transitive guilt. If guilt is imputed indirectly, then all of us are guilty of many things, like atrocities that our countries have perpetrated during war.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by rbanffy on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @09:06AM (#42792971)
He actively and deliberately enabled those activities for self benefit.

Also punishing a people for actions of their government is a war crime.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by naasking on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @10:42AM (#42793956)
> Also punishing a people for actions of their government is a war crime

Right, because we recognize that indirect, transitive blame is ethically problematic.

> He actively and deliberately enabled those activities for self benefit.

So did the Sacklers with the opioid epidemic, arguably even more directly than Ulbricht. Which of them is in prison?

"Enabling" is exactly the kind of weasel word that I find problematic. It has no strict definition and can be broadened to suit whatever is needed to condemn an action you happen to dislike in any given scenario.

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by rbanffy on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @11:48AM (#42794740)
> So did the Sacklers with the opioid epidemic, arguably even more directly than Ulbricht. Which of them is in prison?

Do you think two wrongs make a right?

Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by BargirPezza on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @10:07AM (#42793595)
He was steering the biggest black market on darknet, that is pretty bad
Re:Ross Ulbricht was just granted a full pardon by Thorrez on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @09:58AM (#42793496)
>if they demonstrate exceptional rehabilitation and remorse, as Ross has

He seems to be denying that he hired hitmen:

https://youtu.be/zHMVyr5NjEY?si=GC1RhHhgLxe8gUOL&t=801