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Re:DeepSeek-R1 by simonw on Monday January 20, 2025 @11:29PM (#42776631)
Six months ago I had almost given up on local LLMs - they were fun to try but they were so much less useful than Sonnet 3.5 / GPT-4o that it was hard to justify using them.

That's changed in the past two months. Llama 3 70B, Qwen 32B and now these R1 models are really impressive, to the point that I'm considering trying to get real work done with them.

The catch is RAM: I have 64GB, but loading up a current GPT-4 class model uses up around 40GB of that - which doesn't leave much for me to run Firefox and VS Code.

So I'm still not likely to use them on a daily basis - but it does make me wonder if I should keep this laptop around as a dedicated server next time I upgrade.

Re:DeepSeek-R1 by gjm11 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @12:33PM (#42782863)
Thanks!

One reason why I'm asking is that I'm in the market for a new laptop and am wondering whether it's worth spending more for the possible benefits of being able to run ~30-40GB local LLMs.

Unfortunately it doesn't look as if the answer is either "ha ha, obviously not" or "yes, obviously". (If the question were only about models available right now I think the answer would be no, but it seems like they're close enough to being useful that I'm reluctant to bet on them not being clearly genuinely useful a year from now.)

Re:DeepSeek-R1 by simonw on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @12:41PM (#42782988)
Yeah, it's not an obvious answer at all. Spending ~$3,000+ on a laptop to run local models is only economically sensible if you are VERY paranoid about using APIs (there are plenty of API providers that I personally trust not to train on my data) - otherwise that $3,000 will buy you many years worth of access to the best available models via API.
Re:DeepSeek-R1 by gjm11 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @02:15PM (#42784119)
Well, I unfortunately have expensive tastes in laptops anyway, so the delta is substantially less than $3k, and it's possible that from time to time I'll run across other things that benefit from the fancier machine, and if I don't get a 64GB Mac one of the other possibilities is a 48GB Mac which would still be able to run some local LLMs. But, all that said, it's still potentially a sizable chunk of money for a dubious benefit.

I've been assuming that privacy isn't the only benefit of local; it seems like a local model would offer more flexibility for fine-tuning, RAG, etc., though I am completely ignorant of e.g. what size of model it's actually feasible to do any useful fine-tuning to on given hardware.