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Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by shermantanktop on Monday January 20, 2025 @12:12AM (#42765181)
It’s shocking. Software engineers in the UK are treated like engineers in the US were in the 1960s. Low respect, low pay, while city boys strutting around in shiny suits snapping their fingers to get anything they want.
Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by torginus on Monday January 20, 2025 @02:27AM (#42765908)
That's a weird statement considering I'd have guess the greatest amount of respect and adoration (not necessarily money) (non-software) engineers have gotten in the US would've been during the Space Race and Cold War years.

It was real respect for the trade as well, not some secondhand respect that people who make a lot of money and wield a lot of social influence get.

Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by kjkjadksj on Monday January 20, 2025 @11:53AM (#42770520)
It was respected in the sense that there was a need then in american manufacturing for engineering. But the compensation was nowhere near other professional class jobs. So really the respect seemed a bit false: to get people into the door pigeonholed so they can’t leave for higher compensation. Then when manufacturing was outsourced after the 1960s, many of these jobs disappeared. Now people in Guanzhou are designing the factories and process controls.
Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by dukeyukey on Monday January 20, 2025 @01:11PM (#42771401)
This isn't my experience at all, and I've been in London tech for 8 years now. I'm not entirely sure what "low respect" means here, but anywhere I've worked the company is pretty wary of knarking of their developers because we can just up and find another job basically immediately. We get paid a fair bit too - not sure compared to finance, but not hard to hit the 95th percentile or so.
Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by shermantanktop on Monday January 20, 2025 @11:59PM (#42776792)
Glad to hear it’s working out for you. I’ve talked to too many UK devs who feel handcuffed when they get even 50% of the US equivalent, because it’s a pay cut to go elsewhere. But, as you say, it’s all relative.
Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by dukeyukey on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:09AM (#42778331)
Can't beat yourself up for not getting a salary commensurate with an entirely different economy and strict visa rules. That's just torturing yourself.
Re:UK's elite hardware talent is being wasted by shermantanktop on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:04PM (#42785660)
If you work for an American company, then your teammate back in NYC might be a daily reminder.