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Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by bigstrat2003 on Sunday January 19, 2025 @02:18PM (#42760605)
On the contrary. I'm not afraid of Nazis, I'm afraid of those who would restrict speech for Nazis. Because once you break the seal, it's simply a matter of time until it's another unpopular thing which gets silenced... and another, and another, until we don't have freedom of speech any more. The road to hell is very much paved with good intentions.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by etblg on Sunday January 19, 2025 @03:57PM (#42761731)
Me personally? I am pretty afraid of nazis, that's their whole deal, violence on people, that was kind of the whole big problem with them initially and what led to a world war and genocide. A nazi isn't just someone with different viewpoints from my own, it's people who based their whole ideology on violence, against me, my wife, my children, my friends, my coworkers.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by metabagel on Sunday January 19, 2025 @03:46PM (#42761622)
Certainly, you express what used to be (and probably still is?) conventional wisdom. But, some of us have changed our opinions on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by slg on Sunday January 19, 2025 @04:22PM (#42762000)
> it's simply a matter of time

How much time? Because the way free speech absolutists talk about these ideas always seem to imply that we are mere moments from a country like Germany collapsing into authoritarianism. What evidence do we have that the US's level of free speech is truly better than a country like Germany which does specifically restrict the speech of Nazis?

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by buildartefact on Sunday January 19, 2025 @04:46PM (#42762229)
I used to believe this vehemently. It has become clear that that’s a notion from a bygone age.

The internet has created a global town square where the loudest voices are the ones that catch people’s attention, regardless of the veracity of their claims. There is no truth any more, only the cult of personality.

Tomorrow the US installs a racist, rapist, treasonous kleptocrat as president because the majority of people are unable to think objectively and swallow his promises at face value, despite every indication that life will be immeasurably worse if you’re not a billionaire oligarch.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by jmye on Sunday January 19, 2025 @04:55PM (#42762333)
Can you point to a single time that banning the speech of Nazis has led down a vast slippery slope of further speech bans, particularly in a vaguely democratic country?
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by Jensson on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:25PM (#42762671)
Russia is allegedly attacking Ukraine due to Nazis there. The issue with these things is that you can easily motivate horrible things with the "but we are attacking nazis!" argument, that is why people hate it when you say that.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by jmye on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:11PM (#42787422)
And Russia is transparently lying. “But you call everyone a Nazi” isn’t particularly persuasive - it’s just Republican agitprop.