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Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by 6P58r3MXJSLi on Sunday January 19, 2025 @10:03AM (#42757581)
> because it's unlikely that it could be proven that they were knowingly conspiring with Russia

it's called innocent until prove guilty for a reason, it's the system working as intended.

And the US have exploited it too and are still doing it.

As an example, read the transcript of Victoria Nuland conversation about the future of Ukraine during the time President was someone NATO disliked for not being anti Russian enough.

Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, *Fuck the EU*.

Did Nuland pay for saying it? Of course not. On the contrary, she was awesomely compensated for her work.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by Aunche on Sunday January 19, 2025 @10:33AM (#42757855)
Why should one be surprised that the US Department of State is involved in geopolitics?

Your example further reinforces my point that content matters less than who is saying this content. You quoted a phone call that was very likely to be have intercepted by Russian intelligence and quickly disseminated on Russian-owned media, yet you're freely posting this on an American website.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by 6P58r3MXJSLi on Sunday January 19, 2025 @11:03AM (#42758182)
> Why should one be surprised that the US Department of State is involved in geopolitics?

It is absolutely not!

It is surprising to me that people believe the USA are victims and not the greatest instigators of geopolitical unrest of the past 80 years (at least).

> You quoted a phone call that was very likely to be have intercepted by Russian intelligence

Nahhh

The Russian intelligence simply put it in the open, but who actually intercepted Nuland is unknown.

The point is we perfectly know that the USA are waging wars to also punish Europe, but it cannot be said, because platforms are all from the US and follow US directives.

That's why people also followed in love with tik tok, it was a breath of fresh air, finally few things that we all know are true (Nuland transcription just prove it) could finally be said (again: never used the platform, that's what people I know have said to me and I know a lot of regular people, white collars, regular jobs, kids and all the rest. They simply understand that American social networks and American propaganda have become so unbelievably false that it's baffling)

> yet you're freely posting this on an American website.

Am I?

Have you noticed my name is a generated random string?

Do you ever wonder why people like me do that?

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by motorest on Sunday January 19, 2025 @10:33AM (#42757853)
> it's called innocent until prove guilty for a reason, it's the system working as intended.

That principle applies to laws, in order to minimize the chance of abuse when investigating criminal and civil charges.

This is not the same. This is about national security, and specifically enforcing national security policies. You do not need presumption of innocence to determine if you should embargo a country, expell a diplomat, and ban a suspicious supplier from your critical infrastructure.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by 6P58r3MXJSLi on Sunday January 19, 2025 @10:56AM (#42758123)
> You do not need presumption of innocence to determine if you should embargo a country

Are you saying that US decision makers are the ones to blame here?

> and ban a suspicious supplier from your critical infrastructure.

I don't think China controls through tik tok what country the US should or should not embargo...