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Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by Timber-6539 on Sunday January 19, 2025 @09:55AM (#42757519)
You are basically saying American adults are impressionable children hence cannot be trusted to participate in elections held by US electoral institutions.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by grajaganDev on Sunday January 19, 2025 @10:26AM (#42757794)
I am saying that but would prefer to state it this way:

Individuals are not equipped to recognized and counter the effects of highly sophisticated influence operations run by adversaries with enormous resources.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by photonthug on Sunday January 19, 2025 @10:43AM (#42757966)
And you are basically saying that despite decades of focused high-stakes research into the matter, propaganda doesn't work at all on the masses, and that algorithmic manipulation of people is simply impossible? How could anyone take that idea seriously.. global advertising spend is approaching like a trillion dollars every year.
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by Timber-6539 on Sunday January 19, 2025 @11:29AM (#42758466)
Why not call for the dismantling of the global advertising networks in the US rather than Tiktok since you think it is a giant propaganda machine?

Saying a foreign nation has the capability to brainwash your citizens into making a vote is propaganda by itself. It's not only cheap and imbecilic, it's a waste of everybody's time.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by grajaganDev on Sunday January 19, 2025 @12:57PM (#42759503)
>Why not call for the dismantling of the global advertising networks in the US

Yes, we should do this also.

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by photonthug on Sunday January 19, 2025 @03:19PM (#42761351)
It’s not cheap, that’s the point.. ads as an industry moves more money every year than the pentagon. That’s a lot of people betting that algorithmic influence campaigns work. Are you saying everyone is wrong about this but you, or is your position is that influence campaigns work for brands but not for nation states? Or nation states would not try? Or what?
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by alickz on Sunday January 19, 2025 @10:22AM (#42757755)
Americans are humans and all humans are susceptible to advertising/propaganda
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by bdangubic on Sunday January 19, 2025 @11:16AM (#42758335)
so we ban all advertising/“propaganda”? who gets to decide what is or isn’t propaganda if we gonna ban it?
Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by alickz on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:07AM (#42780906)
> who gets to decide what is or isn’t propaganda if we gonna ban it?

in a representative republic that would ideally be the elected representatives

Re:TikTok goes dark in the US by groggo on Sunday January 19, 2025 @11:15AM (#42758326)
this is the cost of free speech. it has to be, or free speech is meaningless. yes speech influences people.