However, that target audience, those hobby enthusiasts, hobby developers, also university labs with low budget, those are the people who will develop the future open source frameworks, and ultimately/implicitly those are the people who can have a quite big impact on the future development of brand recognition and the open source ecosystem around the hardware. Those people can shape the future trends.
So, only looking at the market, how much units you would sell here, that totally ignores the impact this might have indirectly in the future.
No they're not. Y'all are deluded. There's a reason why the are only two real DNN frameworks and both of them are developed at the two biggest tech companies in the world.
Although AMD would need to greatly improve their entire software stack to make running AI models on AMD an attractive proposition.
I don't agree. I regularly get VSCode crashing because it ran out of VRAM.
8GB VRAM starts to feel cramped when you have to composite multiple web browsers (aka Electron apps) onto your 4K monitor screen.
nVidia not offering 16GB on consumer level cards is purely a market segmentation strategy and AMD should make them pay for it.
I'm sure this is also what AMD is thinking, and it's also why they will never catch up to NVidia in ecosystem and software support.
It's not for the casual consumers, and it's not supposed to make money directly! You want these high VRAM SKUs to attract enthusiast and researchers. I have read a staggering amount of research papers where the authors used some random consumer NVidia GPU. Do you know how many I've read which used AMD GPUs? Big fat ZERO! You want to incentivize these people to use your hardware? You want to get devs to support your platform? Give them a unique value proposition that the competition won't.
I'm currently waiting for the 5090 to be available, and I'm going to buy two of them. If AMD would have released a GPU at a fair price, with reasonable performance and double the VRAM that NVidia offers, do you know what would I do? I would buy two AMD cards instead, port my software to it, and contribute PRs to any upstream software that I use so that it works with these cards. But alas, here we are.
I'm just sitting here wondering how you think this affects anything? Enterprise doesn't buy DC cards based on research papers so why does it matter if research papers are or aren't written against one brand or the other.
The market for prosumer cards with high VRAM and low FLOPS would be negligibly small. The data center market is massive on one end and the gaming market is big on the other. Casual consumers who just want a lot of VRAM are such a small minority of people that it doesn’t matter to the bottom line.
It also wouldn’t be financially advantageous to divert RAM chips away from data center production. We don’t have a surplus of chips waiting to be installed, so building out high VRAM but affordable cards would only take away from higher margin products in the datacenter space.