Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by gills on Friday January 09, 2009 @09:29PM
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I read this book for the first time, last summer. It was actually a little bit spooky -- OK, very spooky -- to read basically the same thing (metaphorically) in the book and the news most days of the week.
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Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by unalone on Saturday January 10, 2009 @01:56AM
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Very! I had the same experience when I read The Fountainhead for the first time, in the middle of an ego clash happening at my school.
It's important, I've found, not to mistake Rand's works for wholesale reality. She makes some incredibly good points, and I love her concept of the virtue of selfishness, but things are more complex than she writes about. She was aware of this too: her books are deliberately overstated in order to drive her points home. The economy, along with people in general, is more complex than headlines might make it seem.
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by jonny_noog on Saturday January 10, 2009 @04:31AM
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If more of Rand's proponents were apparently aware of this fact that "things are more complex than she writes about" nor, might I add, are things as absolute, I would have less of a problem with Objectivism.
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by unalone on Saturday January 10, 2009 @11:14AM
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Yeah. The problem, which I still find sad, is that Rand's main message, above the stuff she writes about, is that you should always believe in objective reality, which means picking logic over dogma, and treating the world as a constantly-evolving thing that requires your own thought. Her followers throw out that message more often than not, and follow an incredibly dogmatic belief system that disregards logical statements for catch-phrases.
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by nazgulnarsil on Saturday January 10, 2009 @04:36PM
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such is the fate of any popular message. if you would see your ideals widely disseminated you must be prepared to have them so radically misinterpreted that people arrive at beliefs that are diametrically opposed to your original message.
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by endtime on Saturday January 10, 2009 @05:46AM
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I know what you mean - I felt the same way after reading Age of Tolerance (similar to Atlas Shrugged but specific to contemporary American political issues) and then saw people singing the national anthem in Spanish, but with the words politically modified.
I've read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged too, but it was a while ago.
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by jfoutz on Saturday January 10, 2009 @12:14PM
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It's much stranger seeing people change the words of a drinking song into a national anthem.
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by unalone on Saturday January 10, 2009 @01:27PM
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Would you recommend Age of Tolerance as a book?
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by endtime on Saturday January 31, 2009 @10:58PM
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Sorry for the much-delayed reply. It's certainly nowhere near Atlas Shrugged in terms of quality, and there's a heavy US Republican undertone. I'm a moderate that leans slightly towards the right and it bothered me a few times. So if you're sensitive to that kind of thing, then no.
That said, I did find it to be insightful in places. So I can't say I'd recommend it wholeheartedly, but there is some value in there.
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by eru on Saturday January 10, 2009 @07:06AM
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> then saw people singing the national anthem in Spanish,
Would this be a good or a bad thing?
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by Retric on Saturday January 10, 2009 @11:55AM
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with the words politically modified
Re:'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
by anewaccountname on Saturday January 10, 2009 @07:23PM
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as though it were some sacred canon from god.