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Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by mongol on Friday January 17, 2025 @06:10AM (#42736316)
Do you need to sign an agreement to this effect before starting filming? I don't see how it can legally hold.
Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by bayindirh on Friday January 17, 2025 @06:16AM (#42736364)
Nominally, yes. These are checked before your movie is being distributed, and you'll most probably face legal consequences if you don't pay for your licenses.

Not getting caught for some time doesn't count either. You'll pay retroactively, with some interest, probably.

Licensing page is at [0]. Considering the previous shenanigans they pulled against open video and audio formats in the past [1], these guys are not sleeping around. These guys call people for patent pools in a format, and license these pools as format licenses.

[0]: https://www.via-la.com/licensing-2/avc-h-264/avc-h-264-licen...

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_LA#Criticism

Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by matt-p on Friday January 17, 2025 @08:04AM (#42737099)
Presumably there's no way of fingerprinting the footage itself as 'unlicenced' so the closest they get is asking the studio what camera serials they used to film.

What about if you're a YouTuber, surely they don't pay?

Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by hackingonempty on Friday January 17, 2025 @07:11AM (#42736711)
If you bought a legit licensed product the doctrine of first sale means their patent rights are exhausted.[0] They can't come after you for patent infringement. Those licenses are for manufacturers making new licensed products, not users of licensed products they purchased.

Can you show a single court case or even a press release where someone using a legit licensed product bought on the open market was sued for codec patent infringement?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaustion_doctrine_under_U.S....

Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by bayindirh on Friday January 17, 2025 @07:15AM (#42736729)
The license doesn't come attached to the device itself, but you as a entity (e.g. movie studio, broadcaster, or solo professional). Transferring the device doesn't transfer the license.

You license the right to use the patent pool for commercial purposes, not the device itself.

Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by mongol on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:02AM (#42739208)
My read of parent's link says differently.
Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by bluGill on Friday January 17, 2025 @09:11AM (#42737663)
Back in the day Kodak had to buy back all their instant cameras after losing to Polaroid. Though I'm not sure if law has changed since then (it has, but I'm not sure if in relevant ways), or just that they did that because no being able to make film made them useless and so buyback was a goodwill gesture.
Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by mongol on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:00AM (#42739178)
Could that not have been because they could not sell film for them anymore, rendering them useless? So it was to make customers whole?

Edit: Missed the last part where you said the same

Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by ComputerGuru on Friday January 17, 2025 @11:56AM (#42740239)
I believe this is why a number of products require you to manually activate a free personal license (by clicking a button and agreeing to TOS) in the settings instead of shipping with it. You are then separately licensing the tech from the software vendor and are personally liable for infringements.
Re:You can't use your $6,299.00 Camera as a Webcam. That wil... by anticensor on Saturday January 18, 2025 @09:08AM (#42748421)
First sale doctrine doesn't exist in my country for anything involving software, as business and business-adjacent software requires compulsory copyright registration and compulsory per-copy government-registered identifier here.