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Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by bill_joy_fanboy on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @03:01AM (#42708500)
> forced internment for children

Where I live (U.S.), new schools are literally built like prisons... each wing is laid out from a central "observation area" for the administrators. It's just a panopticon design modeled after penitentiaries.

I was with my family in our new local high school. My dad and I were the only two who noticed the layout.

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by thih9 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @03:15AM (#42708582)
The panopticon design was originally intended for schools too, as well as other institutions:

> Bentham conceived the basic plan as being equally applicable to hospitals, schools, sanatoriums, and asylums. He devoted most of his efforts to developing a design for a panopticon prison, so the term now usually refers to that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

Whether it’s friendly and encourages healthy development is another question.

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @03:34AM (#42708703)
The criticism section of the Wikipedia article focuses on political aspects, but to me, the very idea of keeping someone feeling like they're always watched sounds like psychological torture.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by Pet_Ant on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @04:44AM (#42709110)
In fairness if you’ve ever been bullied and corned out of view of the teachers, having someone seeing you may feel like a relief.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by DrillShopper on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:56PM (#42714510)
That assumes they'll do anything instead of turn a blind eye.

In my school experience they turned a blind eye unless you fought back in which case they would punish you for fighting back.

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by whythre on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:57PM (#42714534)
Many of the bullying stories on here involve either a do-nothing response by authorities or both sides being punished. I do not see how constant monitoring ensures any kind of protection or justice.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by kristianbrigman on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @11:00AM (#42712510)
And yet, I bet when you make a trade on craigslist (showing my age :), you meet in a public place where people can see you. Why?
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by ndriscoll on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:11PM (#42713773)
I don't think I've ever met in a public place for Craigslist trades. I've always gone to the seller's house. I don't think we've ever sold anything, but when we put something up for free online we just leave it outside and tell them to come get it.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:06PM (#42713699)
Key word is always. It's not just about being observed (with or without knowing when and by whom), but also having no control over it.

Craiglist-mediated exchange is a choice. School, prison or workplace is not - not in any practical sense.

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by 20after4 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @05:08AM (#42709258)
In Missouri, high-school buildings use the same blueprints as state prisons. Why bother designing something custom? They serve the same purpose. They literally are prisons.

If a teenager fails to show up for school, a police officer will eventually show up to arrest their parents and place the teenager in the custody of a "foster family." Now both parent and teenager are imprisoned. And we are told this is freedom.

To make matters much much worse, children in state custody with the foster system are routinely exposed to all kinds of abuse. Many foster families operate like a profitable business where costs are minimized and care is entirely absent.

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by tigeba on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @07:40AM (#42710229)
I feel I must point out that education buildings in Missouri do not share designs with prisons as a norm. Maybe this is true somewhere in the state but not here.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by 20after4 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @09:30AM (#42711145)
Yeah I didn't mean all of them. A couple of examples that I am aware of are Ozark High School and Waynesville High School.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by WillPostForFood on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @10:58AM (#42712489)
There is no way this is true.

People look at ugly schools, and they look like prisons, and the kids are captive in the ugly buildings, so it invites the prison metaphor. But makes no sense. Schools are a series of classrooms, prisons are a series of small cells. The designs would not be reusable at a fundamental level, or any practical level.

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by treis on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @12:53PM (#42714466)
I can't believe people think this is true. There are no school room sized cells in any prison. At least not in this country.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by aerostable_slug on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @03:29PM (#42716475)
There are in fact a great many school room sized cells in the United States. "Dormitory" housing is the norm for a significant percentage of inmates in jails, prisons, and immigration detention centers (imagine a school gym filled with bunks and you're often not far off). To add to the school-prison linkage, many facilities have lockers as well, replete with padlocks that make dandy weapons.

That said, I am still doubtful there are 1:1 copies of jails being used as schools, regardless of visible similarities. I don't see any of these supposed jail/high schools with secured rec yards for instance, which generally make up part of the structure of the facilities that look most like the examples given.

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by 20after4 on Saturday January 18, 2025 @01:34PM (#42750300)
I'm sure they make some modifications, but they started with the plans for a prison. The overall building footprint and architecture is the same.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by tenthafterfour on Monday January 20, 2025 @05:07PM (#42773658)
Don't listen to this Ozarkian tweaker. He has been fed some fringe anti-education propaganda his whole life and chooses to maintain life inside a glass bubble.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by lyu07282 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @05:56AM (#42709555)
> And we are told this is freedom.

I think we pretty much universally agree that mandatory schooling is preferable to the alternative, do you really think an illiterate populous is preferable? So yes actually that is freedom. Society guarantees that you will not be illiterate just because your parents were crack addicts, I think that's a good thing.

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by greentxt on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @06:52AM (#42709892)
I don't think an illiterate populous is the alternative unless you think most people lack intrinsic motivation and also have families that don't value education. Seems extremely unlikely. Maybe you wouldn't have gone to school if you had a choice but most people would, if nothing else for free childcare.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by lyu07282 on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @07:28AM (#42710146)
> most people would

You are missing the point, "most" is not all, I don't think most people/families are like this at all, we don't do this for most people. I think you would be surprised about the number of low-income children in the US who will never see a classroom if we abandoned compulsory education. It is also an effective measure to increase equality and class mobility.

14 million children in the US are food insecure. 43 million people live in poverty, 12.9% [1]

You know how many people in the US are illiterate? 21% [2]

Do you think that number will increase or decrease if we got rid of compulsory education?

[1] https://www.nokidhungry.org/who-we-are/hunger-facts [2] https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/post/literacy-s...

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by 9rx on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @09:01AM (#42710841)
> You know how many people in the US are illiterate? 21% [2] Do you think that number will increase or decrease if we got rid of compulsory education?

Just 20% in 1875[1], despite the primitive education system of the time. Is the answer no change, it being limited by the innate capabilities of the people, not limited by what they do?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by Miraste on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @02:08PM (#42715549)
The source above yours and the one on Wikipedia are using different metrics for literacy. These are generally not comparable. Measuring literacy in a useful way, especially over historic timescales, is harder than it sounds.
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday January 15, 2025 @09:53AM (#42711445)
There's security checkpoints and police officers in bulletproof vests and carrying guns as well in some cases, because what if a school shooter shows up? Of course, when one does show up a hundred militarized police will show up and... do nothing, because what will the union do if one gets shot?
Re:Why are tech people suddenly so into homeschooling? by bill_joy_fanboy on Thursday January 16, 2025 @09:10AM (#42725313)
My favorite was the lady cop in Texas who said she would only "go in" if her kid was in there. Your kids? ... Not her problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--rt8aVV2zk