Or maybe theres just less people from certain cultures that want to be a software developer.

Whats next, you want to force more white people to become developers because ethnic Indian devs are becoming too populous in the industry.

In my country most of the blacks are in London and so we have no black devs in our office. We arent going to go out and find some to hire.

I decided to look up the demographics on Wikipedia. London does indeed have a higher percentage black population than the rest of the country, but Manchester and Birmingham are very similar, whilst other major cities where you're likely to find the most tech companies have around 5%.

London: 54% white, 14% black

Manchester: 57% white, 12% black

Birmingham: 49% white, 11% black

Bristol: 81% white, 6% black

Leeds: 79% white, 6% black

Sheffield: 80% white, 5% black

Liverpool: 84% white. 4% black

Note: this excludes mixed black and white backgrounds, which make up a decent proportion of people who would describe themselves as black.

So if equal numbers of black people went into tech, and companies hired without bias, then you'd expect at least 1 in 20 people in most tech companies to be black.

You're right that fewer people from black backgrounds are applying to tech jobs, although I think it's a leap to say it's because they "don't want to". It could just as easily be that they find it intimidating, or don't believe they can do it, or they're socialised into other careers. As a company or hiring manager, if you do come across black applicants, it may well be the case that they have had to battle against a lot to get where they are, which shows grit, enthusiasm, and initiative.

I'm in the business of making money, not one of getting blacks into software. If they don't want to come for interviews then I'm not going out and finding them.

Also using those stats is flawed because the majority of the people working in those cities don't live in them. The real number (of what % blacks constitute the available workforce within commute distance) will be less than 1% in most of them.

> I'm in the business of making money

Respectfully, there is always a trade-off between how much money you make and how positive a social impact you have.

> The real number (of what % blacks constitute the available workforce within commute distance) will be less than 1%

Yes, as I said, it's not the case that black people are as likely to apply for tech jobs. And I agree with you that it's not your responsibility to make that happen. The problem is systemic and goes back to education and environment. However, your tone is a little disconcerting as it seems to suggest that you think everything is fine just the way it is.

That is you being ignorant of other cultures and countries and assuming things work like they do in yours.

The few blacks that are in almost all those cities you mention recieve the same education, are the same environment and socioeconomic group as the whites.

It is also a US obsession with US black people and their problems, and thinking everyone should join in on it. This is why when they tried to bring all the George Floyd protest stuff to this region, they were politely told where they could stick it. There are already enough social problems that should get attention and don't, that affect the people living here. Rather than protests about something that has no relevance to anyone living here.

Sorry if I misled. I'm UK born and bred, grew up an hour from London, and have been living in London for nearly a decade. I've seen the racial divide between private and state schools, and I've seen how the inner city schools split into the good ones in affluent mostly white areas vs the poor ones in struggling ethnic minority areas. There's some in the middle obviously, but there's a definite split. In the former, teachers will advise which Oxbridge college you should apply to. In the latter, teachers will have a strategy for how to respond if someone brings a weapon into class. Black people might technically follow the same syllabus, but the environment is totally different.

That has nothing to do with ethnicity. Only an extremely small minority of wealthy kids are being advised on what Oxbridge college they should apply to. Dealing with weapons in class is advice given to all schools in London and Birmingham. It just so happens that is also where most blacks are.

Outside of London, black people are in no different an socioeconomic situation than the whites.

Mentioning Oxbridge was a bit of hyperbole, forgive me. But all the signs point towards black people having a lower socioeconomic status and their education and careers suffering as a result.

The proportion of black students at Russell Group unis is around 4%, roughly half of the proportion of black people in the 18-24 age range. Black students have higher dropout rates and are less likely to achieve first or second class honours. Black STEM leavers are more likely to be unemployed [0].

Black people in the UK are more likely than any other ethnicity (including white) to be living in a deprived neighbourhood [1]. Nearly half of households with a black head of household are in poverty, compared to 19% for whites [2]. Similar trends are reflected in London [3].

[0] https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/publications/2021/tr...

[1] https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-popula...

[2] https://irr.org.uk/research/statistics/poverty/

[3] https://trustforlondon.org.uk/data/poverty-and-ethnicity/

> Whats next, you want to force more white people to become developers because ethnic Indian devs are becoming too populous in the industry.

You managed to sneak in both a slippery slope fallacy and a straw man in the same argument here. No one said what you're claiming.

I never claimed he did say that.