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Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by RestlessMind on Saturday January 11, 2025 @02:00AM (#42663901)
> You really can't imagine why American culture treats blacks differently from how it does Indians and Chinese?

I don't know why you infer that from my comment. I am merely responding to the GP's post which I disagree with. I believe US, or at least Silicon Valley which I am very familiar with, is one of the least racist place. At the same time, it is also highly classist.

Unfortunately, race and class correlate for American blacks. Not so for, say, Nigerian blacks because the ones able to migrate from Nigeria to the US are already the privileged ones in their society. Same goes for immigrants from India, China, Philippines or Egypt.

Look at class, not race, if you really want to understand the SV demographics.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by freejazz on Saturday January 11, 2025 @02:12AM (#42663970)
>I don't know why you infer that from my comment. I am merely responding to the GP's post which I disagree with. I believe US, or at least Silicon Valley which I am very familiar with, is one of the least racist place. At the same time, it is also highly classist.

I don't think you are responding to the other poster's point at all. I think you made up your own, and that's exactly what I pointed out. Because it's so facially asinine.

>Look at class, not race, if you really want to understand the SV demographics.

Weird, I thought we are talking about American culture, not just SV? Anything else you want to swap in so you can make your obtuse points?

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by RestlessMind on Saturday January 11, 2025 @02:30AM (#42664061)
> Weird, I thought we are talking about American culture, not just SV?

kragen's post literally starts with "As a white software engineer...", so I am addressing the context of being a software engineer, i.e. SV (the metaphorical place, not actual physical location). Broader American culture is besides the point here.

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by kragen on Saturday January 11, 2025 @03:11AM (#42664233)
I agree that SV (the actual physical location) and the US software industry are less racist than most of the rest of the US. But they're still way more racist than, say, Porto Alegre or Caracas, which are no egalitarian utopias either. And the reason for this is, in fact, the broader culture of the US. (Not “American culture” because that would affect Brazil and Venezuela just as much as the US.)
Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by RestlessMind on Saturday January 11, 2025 @02:24PM (#42668273)
[Aside: thanks for engaging in a civil manner, really appreciate that]

> Their kids still don't end up as programmers

I can see that there could be racism which prevents upper middle class black kids from becoming programmers. Do you think it's because of SV (metaphor) or because of racism in the pipeline leading to SV? If it's the latter, can SV even do anything about it?

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by kragen on Saturday January 11, 2025 @05:31PM (#42669473)
It's difficult to engage in a civil way on such a controversial issue. I appreciate your collaboration on that matter as well.

There's clearly a pipeline problem. As Ibrahim Diallo's experience shows, it's not just a pipeline problem; it's also an SV problem: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53180073

Re:Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs by freejazz on Sunday January 12, 2025 @12:36PM (#42675203)
>kragen's post literally starts with "As a white software engineer...", so I am addressing the context of being a software engineer, i.e. SV (the metaphorical place, not actual physical location). Broader American culture is besides the point here.

This is nonsense.