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Re:Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, ... by chii on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @11:53PM (#42641733)
While sales is true for large enterprises, in SME and lower ones, it's users' wants and value-for-money that dominate. This domination can lead to nowhere, but quite occasionally, it leaks out as users move jobs and into positions of "power" in the larger enterprise, and choose their familiar software instead of the existing/encumbent ones.

Then these new startups get a foot hold, and become the dominant software, grow in size and learn how to B2B sale as well.

Re:Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, ... by safety1st on Thursday January 09, 2025 @12:19AM (#42641879)
Very interesting, what are some good examples of this happening?
Re:Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, ... by ipaddr on Thursday January 09, 2025 @12:51AM (#42642048)
Stack, Zoom, Trello, Dropbox, Canva, Notion, AirTable..

Asana, Figma, Miro, Box, Evernote, ClickUp, Basecamp, Zapier, HubSpot, Calendly, Shopify, WordPress

Re:Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, ... by chii on Thursday January 09, 2025 @01:06AM (#42642115)
atlassian is the big one - jira actually beat out basecamp (and fogbugz), despite them being quite similar at the beginning, and ousted the incumbent that is ibm rational suite and their ilk.
Re:Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, ... by anovikov on Thursday January 09, 2025 @05:25AM (#42643815)
They did it by one simple trick - becoming the first ones who offered free license for open-sourcers. They invented this idea. After that, they needed to do nothing more, almost automatically becoming a monopoly. I was there working for one of the early competitors who was thrown in the dust by that decision of Atlassian and was too late to realise they had to do the same - and folded two years later.
Re:Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, ... by jamwil on Thursday January 09, 2025 @10:09AM (#42646370)
This is also the stated rationale for Cloudflare’s generous free tier. They build loyalty with hobby and side projects, and engineers take that familiarity to work with them.
Re:Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, ... by cjblomqvist on Thursday January 09, 2025 @01:50PM (#42648674)
DigitalOcean also had a strategy of going after the little guys/early phases of companies with their 5$ offering and lots of good free material/tutorials.
Re:Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, ... by octacat on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:37PM (#42650975)
yes, Slack and github strategy. After Slack got big, it shrunk what it provides for open-source communities though. So, expect Cloudflare eventually switch.
Re:Salesforce will hire no more software engineers in 2025, ... by spamizbad on Thursday January 09, 2025 @11:45AM (#42647400)
Being able to use company email on your personal devices and Mac laptops come to mind