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Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @09:59PM (#42641145)
> This simultaneously put me off meat eating and vegetarians.

Your adjusted your prior probabilities of all vegetarians based on this one group of vegetarians? There must be hundreds of millions and maybe even a billion of them in the world.

Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by halestock on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @11:08PM (#42641529)
I’m gonna guess it was somewhat tongue in cheek.
Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by Daub on Thursday January 09, 2025 @02:17AM (#42642568)
Yes it was partly toung in cheek. These were good people who acted on principle.

However... I was young and it took me too long to see the hypocrisy of their thinking. They would happily feed the chickens but I would be the person who killed them... their angel of death. I wasn't even properly shown how to kill a chicken.

One day I was present when a pig was slaughtered a process which was overseen by a vet. That animal certainly knew it was going to die and did not like the idea. I was only 19, and was somewhat badly affected by the experience. For a while I even became a vegetarian but developed health issues as a result.

In the long run what I took from the idea was that meat has a cost. Life is not sacred but it is certainly precious. For that knowing it was worth it.

Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by erikerikson on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @11:18PM (#42641579)
Have you forgotten your priors about human bias? ;)
Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by shadow28 on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @10:12PM (#42641225)
Humans aren't always rational and that's okay, we're all human after all :)
Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:19AM (#42645775)
It’s considered not okay if we replace vegetarian with skin tone.
Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by mrguyorama on Thursday January 09, 2025 @04:57PM (#42650211)
One is something you were born with and cannot change, and the other is a choice of lifestyle you make.

If you can't see the difference between those two scenarios, that's a huge problem.

Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday January 09, 2025 @05:27PM (#42650493)
The cause or mutability the attribute has nothing to do with the reasonableness of ascribing a certain prior probability to the attribute.

Also, many hundreds of millions of people in the world are born into families that raise them as vegetarians, is that so dissimilar from being born with a certain skin tone?

Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by mystified5016 on Wednesday January 08, 2025 @10:18PM (#42641260)
Most vegetarians decide to choose that diet after contemplating the suffering of the animals involved. Or had you never thought to ask why someone would be vegetarian?
Re:Orca That Carried Dead Calf for Weeks Appears to Be in Mo... by lotsofpulp on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:26AM (#42645884)
I think the confusion is because Daub might have meant vegetarianism (the idea) instead of vegetarians (the people).