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Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:49PM (#42576695)
> He's only extreme if your view points are extreme left

Musk's policy positions are all over the political compass. While I wouldn't call him a right-wing extremist (that's where Loomer et al live), he's certainly a right winger in the political company he keeps and supports.

> Hello downvotes

"Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading" [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by camhart on Thursday January 02, 2025 @12:53PM (#42576741)
> he's certainly a right winger

There's nothing wrong with being a right winger, unless you live in a silo that is intolerant to it.

> Hello downvotes

I literally don't post to HN because it's such a silo. Commenting on downvotes is done to try and get people to second guess their knee jerk reaction. Mods can block the comment if they want, I'll just continue my shift away from HN.

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:06PM (#42576910)
> nothing wrong with being a right winger, unless you live in a silo that is intolerant to it

No, but it's obviously going to alienate a large swath of the consumer base, i.e. most people able to and interested in buying an electric car.

> Commenting on downvotes is done to try and get people to second guess their knee jerk reaction

It's the only reason I flagged your comment.

Also, really? Do you think a speech is stronger if it ends with "obviously everyone in this room is going to disagree with me"?

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by camhart on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:20PM (#42577082)
> most people able to and interested in buying an electric car

For what it's worth, I've wanted a tesla for many years. I haven't pulled the trigger because of the cost. I'm not sure how many right leaning techies there are out there, but we do exist. And when I worked on the West coast I learned pretty quickly that there are consequences if I share my political views. No clue how many more there are like me, but I'm certainly not the only one.

> Also, really? Do you think a speech is stronger if it ends with "obviously everyone in this room is going to disagree with me"?

I think free speech is strongest when differing views are tolerated. The fact that people feel they can't share their opinion is what damages free speech. I'm just trying to express that I feel I can't on HN, but I do feel some obligation to in an effort to be a good citizen. I wasn't aware of the rule. I also think it's comical that it's used to remove an otherwise reasonable comment entirely (this just punishes those who have different opinions from the main HN audience). I've learned that commenting on anything political here turns into a big distraction, so I was trying to take part but avoid some of the backlash.

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 02, 2025 @01:27PM (#42577170)
> not sure how many right leaning techies there are out there, but we do exist

Of course. But not enough to sustain Tesla's growth requirements. (The same would be true if Musk came out as a leftist.)

Mass-market brands practically have to be anodyne. Alienating any significant customer group undercuts the economies of scale.

Re:Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decl... by freejazz on Thursday January 02, 2025 @03:36PM (#42578565)
> The fact that people feel they can't share their opinion is what damages free speech.

I guess I should shut up about how stupid I think Elon is, I wouldn't want to offend anyone after all!