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Re:AI companies cause most of traffic on forums by nkrisc on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @09:51PM (#42563585)
Lying requires intent to deceive. How have you determined their intent?
Re:AI companies cause most of traffic on forums by n144q on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:34PM (#42563774)
> Lying requires intent to deceive

Since when do we ask people to guess other people's intent when they have better things to show, which is called evidence?

Surely we should talk about things with substantiated matter?

Re:AI companies cause most of traffic on forums by nkrisc on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @08:41AM (#42565949)
Because there’s a meaningful difference between being wrong and lying.

There’s evidence the statement was false, no evidence it was a lie.

Re:AI companies cause most of traffic on forums by alphan0n on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:48PM (#42563827)
When someone says:

> Oh, and of course, they don't just crawl a page once and then move on. Oh, no, they come back every 6 hours because lol why not. They also don't give a single flying fuck about robots.txt, because why should they.

Their self righteous indignation and specificity of the pretend subject of that indignation precludes any doubt about intent.

This guy made a whole public statement that is verifiably false. And then tried to toddler logic it away when he got called out.

Re:AI companies cause most of traffic on forums by nkrisc on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @08:41AM (#42565944)
That may all be true. That still doesn’t mean they intentionally lied.
Re:AI companies cause most of traffic on forums by alphan0n on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @04:51PM (#42569607)
What is the criteria of an intentional lie, then? Admission?

The author responded:

>denschub 2 days ago [–]

>the robots.txt on the wiki is no longer what it was when the bot accessed it. primarily because I clean up my stuff afterwards, and the history is now completely inaccessible to non-authenticated users, so there's no need to maintain my custom robots.txt

Which is verifiably untrue:

HTTP/1.1 200 server: nginx/1.27.2 date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 13:37:20 GMT content-type: text/plain last-modified: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:52:00 GMT etag: W/"1c-62204b7e88e25" alt-svc: h3=":443", h2=":443" X-Crawler-content-encoding: gzip Content-Length: 28

User-agent: * Disallow: /w/

Re:AI companies cause most of traffic on forums by nkrisc on Friday January 03, 2025 @07:09AM (#42584946)
> intentional lie

There are no “intentional” lies, because there are no “unintentional” lies.

All lies are intentional. An “unintentional lie” is better known as “being wrong”.

Being wrong isn’t always lying. What’s so hard about this? An example:

My wife once asked me if I had taken the trash out to the curb, and I said I had. This was demonstrably false, anyone could see I had not. Yet for whatever reason, I mistakenly believed that I had done it. I did not lie to her. I really believed I had done it. I was wrong.

Re:AI companies cause most of traffic on forums by alphan0n on Saturday January 04, 2025 @02:09AM (#42593069)
No worries, I understand. The author admitted to me that he was lying via DM, that he often does this for attention.