Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO
by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:30PM
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That really sounds plausible. They could open a training farm in Vietnam or Mongolia (or even Taiwan, or really anywhere the internet goes) and just use it, the GPUs don’t need to be located in the mainland. The only way to lock down the GPUs would be to just restrict completely to who could use them, and then prevent them from contracting with sanctioned entities.
When I was working in Beijing, we definitely had resources we couldn’t access locally but could easily access remotely so it didn’t really matter.
Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO
by blackoil on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @12:23AM
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Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea are closeby and large+stable enough to easily create such data centers. Small batches for experimentation by team can be easily smuggled. China is too large and powerful to be completely sanctioned.
Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO
by e_y_ on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @05:36AM
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The Information claimed today that ByteDance is renting GPUs in the cloud, although ByteDance denies it (well, they call it "inaccurate" which is not exactly a strong rebuttal).
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...
Harder and more expensive, but far from impossible. I doubt they pay more than doubles Nvidia's sticker price, all told. Nvidia got into legal trouble recently for paying lip-service to sanctions - id you're keen on the mechanics of GPU sanctions-busting, read up on the governments accusations against Nvidia, and this was for low-hanging fruit.
The article has one analyst speculating they used tens of thousands of H100s (50,000 IIRC) instead of the 10,000 A100s the Deepseek CEO owns up to. They can afford to pay exorbitant markups for the logistical nightmare of importation through 3rd party countries at scale.