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Re:Where Is James Bond? Trapped in an Ugly Stalemate with Am... by xracy on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @05:36PM (#42562370)
My point is that if you pick a diverse audience, you will come up with a diverse set of expectations.

In Twilight, the main character is not actually described very well. There's an old comic from the oatmeal [1] about how the main character should be named "pants", because they're made just so that every reader can slip into the place and pretend like they're the main character.

This is a lot more common in books than I think you may realize. So when characters don't match expectations, it's because people are saying that characters don't look like them... which is, like, accidentally racism. To be clear, I don't think people are doing this maliciously. It's just that what you expect is not necessarily what you have to get.

[1] https://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight

Re:Where Is James Bond? Trapped in an Ugly Stalemate with Am... by monkeywork on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @01:34AM (#42564344)
>My point is that if you pick a diverse audience, you will come up with a diverse set of expectations.

You don't "pick" a diverse audience; you respect the audience/fandom how it currently is. I refuse to believe that if you surveyed ANY fandom and asked them to do a character description of the main character, they wouldn't come to a fairly common consensus overall.

>which is, like, accidentally racism.

No it's not, it's people saying the character isn't as they expected them to be - and again that's on the person using the franchise to match what they are creating to that built-in audience FIRST and FOREMOST - if they don't want to respect that audience they shouldn't be touching the franchise they should be making something original.

Re:Where Is James Bond? Trapped in an Ugly Stalemate with Am... by xracy on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @07:03PM (#42570359)
Should say "pick a diverse fandom"

> I refuse to believe that if you surveyed ANY fandom and asked them to do a character description of the main character, they wouldn't come to a fairly common consensus overall.

Even if the consensus is wrong? Jesus wasn't white, and wouldn't be described as white, but everyone in the US 'fandom' thinks Jesus looks like them. Also, Jesus is frequently portrayed differently in different parts of the world.