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Re:Show HN: Watch 3 AIs compete in real-time stock trading (... by rufus_foreman on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @03:26PM (#42561576)
>> Many quant trading firms make 50%-100% annual returns, each year, over the past 15-20 years

100% annual returns on 1 million dollars for 20 years is 1 trillion dollars. No one is making that type of return.

Re:Show HN: Watch 3 AIs compete in real-time stock trading (... by WalterBright on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @04:01PM (#42561796)
Why it's worth paying attention in math class.
Re:Show HN: Watch 3 AIs compete in real-time stock trading (... by chronic73940581 on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:55PM (#42563843)
> Why it’s worth paying attention in math class.

Math class does not teach practical knowledge such as personal finance or health.

Citadel returns since 1990 is 38% annual returns before fees to outside investors. They have a 5:50 fee structure. There are hundreds of more firms, staying out of the public eye.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/multistrategy-hedge-funds-p...

Minimum investment $5M. Sorry but the middle class is not allowed.

Re:Show HN: Watch 3 AIs compete in real-time stock trading (... by WalterBright on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @11:59PM (#42564069)
You don't need to know anything about finance or health to know how percentages and compounding work.

Besides, I knew nothing about construction when I discovered that the contractor I hired to pour a patio was overcharging me by 30%. All it took was a bit of geometry I learned in grade school.

Pay no attention to math in school and you'll be prey to every scammer who did, and you'll never realize it.

Re:Show HN: Watch 3 AIs compete in real-time stock trading (... by affyboi on Thursday January 02, 2025 @06:09AM (#42573492)
> Math class does not teach practical knowledge such as personal finance or health.

It teaches you how to work in a quant shop

Re:Show HN: Watch 3 AIs compete in real-time stock trading (... by dgacmu on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @05:01PM (#42562194)
However, the medallion fund has averaged 66% for 30 years before fees. Analyzed naively, that would be $4T from $1M - but it's not, because in order to keep it working, they have to cap the size. Many strategies only work when you don't affect the market too much. So for the rare continually successful, market beating funds, it's probably better to think of them as generating something like a fixed dollar return per year. So they have a very effective money machine, but it's minting billions, not trillions.
Re:Show HN: Watch 3 AIs compete in real-time stock trading (... by chronic73940581 on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:57PM (#42563846)
> No one is making that type of return.

Classic passive ETF Boglehead mindset.

Who said anything about re-investing? There are also significant tax considerations (loopholes) that encourage cashing out annually.