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Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by Workaccount2 on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:07AM (#42559106)
Trying to equate government mandated censorship to private company policy censorship is a wholly dishonest sleight of hand.
Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by tossandthrow on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:22AM (#42559201)
Both in the EU and the US there is plenty of regulation that mandates these types of censorship - and with reason.

In the US there is 18 U.S.C. § 842(p).

In the EU there is the entire AI Act.

But I am sure you can yourself chat your way through to figure out what legislation companies like OpenAI and Anthropic are under.

Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by Scea91 on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:39AM (#42559326)
Is any of these equivalent in nature to, for example, censoring information about Tiananmen square events?
Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by tossandthrow on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:48AM (#42559414)
This is more a political discourse that a business or technical one.

You sure can establish that there is a qualitative difference on the type of censorship carried out - congrats.

The main point I spelled out is that there is no comparative advantage (technical or business wise) on working on these products in the west as you have to implement and operationalize the same amount of censorship / safety.

Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by GordonS on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @11:05AM (#42559527)
It's possible that China censors info about Tiananmen square because so much of what was published came from Western news orgs - and the West has form for using the "news" to attack other nations. Another example might be the supposed "genocide" of the Uyghur people - the MSM pushed the genocide narrative hard, while radicalising, funding and arming Uyghur Islamic extremists, so they could control the narrative. And of course, it largely worked.
Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by Duwensatzaj on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @01:54PM (#42560877)
18 U.S.C. § 842(p). criminalizes bomb instructions when taught with the intent of committing crimes.

TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook is readily available.

Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by tossandthrow on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @02:24PM (#42561085)
Yep, anthropic has to comply with that.
Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by andrepd on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @10:50AM (#42559428)
Why on earth would it be better? Trillion dollar corpos in the turbo-capitalist West are already far more powerful than most states.
Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by freehorse on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @12:58PM (#42560442)
From the technical standpoint discussed here, it makes no difference (china does not have a competitive disadvantage trying to censor llms there because that is standard practice mostly everywhere).
Re:Interesting Interview with DeepSeek's CEO by starfezzy on Wednesday January 01, 2025 @07:24AM (#42565620)
> equating [censorship] to [censorship] is dishonest

Someone who would use this obvious of a red herring is dishonest. The point was not that the censorship is identical, but that the effect of censorship is in both cases to lobotomize the models.