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Re:Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video] by rramadass on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @07:46AM (#42558376)
Bertrand Russell would have been better served if he had studied his own country's role in creating the Israel/Palestine problem. The British Empire laid the seeds of almost all the inter-country/inter-ethnicity/inter-religious/etc. conflicts plaguing the world today but they have conveniently washed their hands off of all of it.

On the Palestine problem; Britain in Palestine 1917-1948 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOJqLTc6RkU

The British Empire Was Much Worse Than You Realize - https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/04/04/the-british-em...

There is a reason that the term Perfidious Albion exists - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion

Finally; Bill Clinton did negotiate a two state solution to the Palestine/Israel problem but Yasser Arafat/PLO rejected it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTC5bq-lfoI

Re:Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video] by throwaway290 on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @09:01AM (#42558745)
All good points. After Ottoman empire literally every country there except Egypt is an artificial creation. Europe divided the region.

And I am not talking about people or religions. Jews, Arabs, Christians, etc all lived there for a long time. Under Ottoman empire with all its faults they had fair autonomy and religious pluralism. After the empire fell someone thought let's just put them in different places and everything will be fine. That guaranteed chaos and displacement.

Re:Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video] by pinewurst on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @11:22AM (#42559658)
Also, there’s strong evidence that Britain* strongly pushed for the Arab invasion of Israel in 1948 over local objections in order to retain power and to benefit from the chaos. That didn’t work out for them well.

*Specifically the imperial agents in the Middle East strongly distinct from the new Labour government back home.

Re:Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video] by r00fus on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @12:54PM (#42560400)
This video is incredible in describing why the British Empire did what it did in the Middle East and the resulting decades-long disaster [1]. Note this is a small portion of a longer 2h video you can find.

Absolutely fascinating historical lesson. tl;dw - the Brits and US along with other colonial powers needed oil, and this region was blessed/cursed with gobs of it, and destabilizing or corrupting governments allowed the colonizers to get more direct access to the goods.

[1] https://youtu.be/mo_ZhGIE8xQ?si=AU5sqYkYoTRbUlBw

Re:Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video] by rhujio2 on Tuesday December 31, 2024 @01:33PM (#42560711)
> Finally; Bill Clinton did negotiate a two state solution to the Palestine/Israel problem but Yasser Arafat/PLO rejected it

https://electronicintifada.net/content/misrepresentation-bar...