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Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by johnnyanmac on Monday December 30, 2024 @12:24AM (#42546716)
You're asking for a lot of evidence on what's overall the opinions of an entire country. Something entire electorial campaigns apparently struggle to do despite their funding ballooning.

You have to do that research yourself, that isn't a question answered within HN's character limit. But Bernie's popularity along the youth probably was not just some trend, to help you start.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by mmooss on Monday December 30, 2024 @03:11AM (#42547477)
There's lots of research on election results and voting patterns.

> You have to do that research yourself

It's really on you or whoever is making the claim.

> that isn't a question answered within HN's character limit

It seems pretty straightforward to me. Who voted for what and why?

If you don't know, then these claims are fabrications.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by johnnyanmac on Monday December 30, 2024 @04:03AM (#42547716)
>There's lots of research on election results and voting patterns.

Yes, thats the hard part. Lots of reach if varying quality and accuracy, before and after election analysis. Opinion pieces. So much to sift through.

>It's really on you or whoever is making the claim.

I didn't make the claim. But I want to emphasize that this isn't just a question you throw a link at.

>If you don't know, then these claims are fabrications.

If that's your approach to any social science, you're not getting far. Nro unless you have the money for a census with proper statisticians. Data will always be messy and debatable.

>It seems pretty straightforward to me. Who voted for what and why?

I hope the above at least sheds some light otherwise. At least if your goal is truly truth seeking and not randomly bashing heads on the internet.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by mmooss on Monday December 30, 2024 @02:31PM (#42552597)
> Data will always be messy and debatable.

I agree, but we have no data at all in this discussion. People are just making stuff up like they are self-evident truths.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by fargle on Monday December 30, 2024 @12:49AM (#42546843)
> You're asking for a lot of evidence on what's overall the opinions of an entire country

we literally just had a referendum on that. moving further left from 2016-2020-2024 lost voters. how pissed off do people have to be to have that result? that implies, very strongly, to me that there is a huge segment in the center-left to center-right that is really irritated right now. not bernie's group for sure. although he seems more center compared to the "squad". you should thank them for that.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by johnnyanmac on Monday December 30, 2024 @04:12AM (#42547771)
moving further left from 2016-2020-2024 lost voters.

No, it continued the 30 year trend since Hw Bush. Right to left to right.

It only really hints that people only rile up after the other party leaves office. So I guess "pissed off enough to be mildly annoying but not so pissed off to overcome an incumbent". But yes, the center is riled up, a little. The right moreso. Someone on the fringes is never not going to vote to begin with, so that's a bad way to judge those groups.

>not bernie's group for sure. although he seems more center compared to the "squad". you should thank them for that.

Really depends on your lens. For the EU, US is basically center right even with liberals. So Bernie would be a proper left wing candidate.

But for US, that's about as liberal as we've been for decades. Decades of red scare narrative made many across the board hate the idea of "socialist ideals" like Universal healthcare and publicly owned utilities. It seems that's starting to crack,maybe.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by mmooss on Monday December 30, 2024 @03:14AM (#42547492)
I haven't heard anyone say that Harris 2024 was further left than Biden 2020. Biden 2020 was probably the furthest left of the campaigns you list, and won. Clinton was more centrist and Harris moved back toward the center, and both lost.

Also, it's hard to imagine a centrist Dem voting for Trump in any circumstances.