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Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @05:51PM (#42544224)
that is because in america a large majority of people’s entire identity is tied to one of the two political parties. there are no liberals who believe is small government and state’s rights, no conservatives who believe in woman’s rights or that america would collapse without immigrants… for majority of people every single opinion and thought they have just magically lines up with one political party - maaaagic… hence, saying both parties are the same will effectively offend everyone :)
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by Spooky23 on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:01PM (#42544322)
The democrats made a fundamental miscalculation in the late 90s that you can simply pander to brown people and they will turn out for you. The messaging is complex because you tell different audiences different things, and the Internet makes it complicated because conservative Hispanic Catholics don’t align with the platform.

In doing that, they ceded rural America, which was devastated by NAFTA and other Clinton era policies. Giant agribusiness makes money, but the prosperous dairy operators really need regulation at the federal level to thrive. I grew up in a town that was solid rural democrat… that was gutted like a fish. 30 operating dairy farms to 1, which is a vertically integrated farm/dairy that delivers to consumers directly. The feed stores, gone. Tractor dealer, gone. The best job in town is truck driving and it’s solid trumper land.

The modern conservative narrative is really simple, and is mostly hot air. Those chicken processing plants and farms in nowhereville that need a steady supply of cheap, dumb labor with no workers comp aren’t run by democrats. Bread & circus, until the crowd demands more.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:25PM (#42544538)
Giant agribusiness makes money, but the prosperous dairy operators really need regulation at the federal level to thrive.

good thing we elected a party that loves nothing more than federal regulation… /s

I am neither democrat nor republican so I have no skin in the game here but I think this thinking here is very naive.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by Spooky23 on Sunday December 29, 2024 @07:09PM (#42544881)
The grain market is a function of government regulation and price controls. The difference there is we scaled it up.

Ever wonder why thousands of Mexicans woke up one day and decided to walk across the desert, never to return? Well, we flooded the market with massive quantities of subsidized corn and put their farms out of business. We did the same thing domestically with other commodities in places like New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

With dairy, you had in-state production requirements and quotas that maintained a balance in price. A smallish dairy farm could support a household reasonably prosperously — there were thousands of farms in places like New York. Now you need thousands of cows to survive - that why milk is often cheaper than water in the supermarket.

But just like WalMart, it gutted a key price of the rural economy. Hell, I watched it happen on a farm I worked on, that operated since the 1600s under the Dutch. Since the early 2000s they board horses for rich people to pay their property taxes.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by dralley on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:20PM (#42545790)
NAFTA was far, far less impactful than China's entry into the WTO.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by devin on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:15PM (#42544436)
The current infighting between republicans over H1Bs seems a counterexample.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by JasserInicide on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:21PM (#42544499)
Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. Though I will say it's been rather amusing watching people act betrayed by Elon's thoughts on H1-B visa holders. Like, how did you idiots not see this coming? He's the richest person in the world for a reason. Plus he's an immigrant.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by Levitz on Sunday December 29, 2024 @07:42PM (#42545121)
>Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it.

It has consistently been about illegal immigration.

You are calling people "low IQ" and "Idiots" and you, literally in this very post, show you are falling for the same thing they fell for.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by macintux on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:36PM (#42545502)
> It has consistently been about illegal immigration.

Not Trump. He’s been opposed to immigration from the ‘wrong” countries, regardless of legality.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bryanlarsen on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:31PM (#42545853)
Trump likely employs massive numbers of illegal immigrants in his hotel empire. He did nothing substantial about illegal immigration in his first term, he's not going to do anything substantial in his second term. He's all talk.

The way to eliminate illegal immigration is to go after the people who hire them. But Trump isn't going to put rich white people in jail.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by acdha on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:46PM (#42545574)
> It has consistently been about illegal immigration.

If this was true, why for decades have they been so concerned about which countries immigrants were coming from and so unsupportive of attempts to provide legal means to get the workers businesses need while opposing penalties for the businesses which hire people who can’t work legally? This situation isn’t new, there have been so many discussions for decades, but we’re still locked in the situation where businesses depend on Spanish-speaking workers but too many Americans oppose legal ways for them to work here.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:55PM (#42545642)
gonna leave the insults aside but just focus on it has consistently been about illegal immigration … during the last GOP rein what exactly was done to curb illegal immigration? absolutely not a damn thing. you take away covid years when we got locked up in our homes and everything was shut down and you won’t see any difference between obama’s 8 years and party that apparently is “consistent about illegal immigration”

don’t fall for that - illegal immigration is strictly election issue - republican love nothing more than exploiting illegal immigrants for personal gain (especially most vocal states like texas)

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by rat87 on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:07PM (#42545702)
Illegal immigration has consistently been a fairly see through smokescreen for anti immigrant politics
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by johnnyanmac on Sunday December 29, 2024 @11:55PM (#42546609)
>It has consistently been about illegal immigration.

A recent bill tighening on illegal immigration had bipartisan support in rejecting it.

Again, narrative vs. business reality. They love underpaying employees with no beneits or legal protections.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by tombert on Monday December 30, 2024 @12:57AM (#42546868)
I am sure for some people it’s about “illegal” immigration, and that’s certainly the messaging, but if that were actually the main case, maybe Republicans would do something to make legal immigration less awful?

My idiot grandmother, in no uncertain terms, thinks Mexicans should be deported for racist reasons. She has let the curtain slip enough times to make that obvious. I don’t think it’s bad to call outright racist people “idiots”.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:31PM (#42544585)
wait until they find out he is an immigrant… they are still processing vance is married to an indian and that vivek is not white…
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by macintux on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:37PM (#42545510)
There are doubts about Melania’s immigration status. She may have worked under the wrong visa and lied about it when filing for naturalization, which would make her an illegal immigrant as well.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by krapp on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:33PM (#42544604)
They thought Elon was one of them because he's "anti-woke," just like they thought Trump was one of them because he "didn't talk like a politician."
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:29PM (#42544571)
the current infighting is not actually a good example… trump was bought by highest bidders which are not really republicans at all - it was just easier to win an election going to the right. the infighting is between an absolute outsider who inflitrated the party by first buying twitter to turn it into a propaganda machine and then when that wasn’t enough needed boots on the ground to ensure he gets control. you don’t ever hear DJT anymore, he now just raises his head to confirm he sides with elon… so there is really no in-fighting at all
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by AdieuToLogic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @07:24PM (#42544998)
Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism for the purpose of supporting a preconceived notion:

  ... for majority of people every single opinion and thought
  they have just magically lines up with one political party ...
This is simply not true.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @08:12PM (#42545348)
it simply is :)
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by AdieuToLogic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:11PM (#42545731)
>> Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism ...

>> This is simply not true.

> it simply is :)

People make choices for a multitude of reasons.

Sometimes those choices are knowingly to their detriment and can be confounding to others whom are not a part of their decision process. Many times the reasoning is "sacrifice for the greater good", where "the greater good" is defined by the very people who are the harbinger of their pain. Other times, it can be as simple as; "my life sucks so everyone else's should too!"

I am sure there are many more categories which could be provided as well.

But to say:

  .. for majority of people every single opinion and thought 
  they have just magically lines up with one political party ...
Is to be so dismissive of people as to be the height of arrogance.
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by bdangubic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:27PM (#42545827)
edited my comment to elaborate and not be snarky as I was
Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by AdieuToLogic on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:33PM (#42545868)
No worries.

I was about to edit mine to clarify that I am not judging you nor your comments, instead simply providing my perspective in the hope it helps.

Re:President Jimmy Carter has passed away by johnnyanmac on Sunday December 29, 2024 @11:58PM (#42546619)
May have been a broad brush, but the spirit is true.

To be more exact: in the end the RNC/DNC comes down to votes in maybe 10 small states before candidates decide to drop out and stop wasting money on a losing battle. Those 2 candidates are what's on our ballot.

I'm in california and I don't think I ever had any say in the DNC because it's already said and done by that time from a bunch of swing states that may collectively have less represenatives than my state. There are some very good liberals I fully side with, but they don't get to be on that ballent.