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Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by simondotau on Saturday December 28, 2024 @06:52PM (#42536005)
> I don't want anything sent from MY device without my consent

Then don’t run someone else’s software on your device. It’s not your software, you are merely a licensee. Don’t delude yourself that you are morally entitled to absolute control over it.

The only way to have absolute control over software is with an RMS style obsession with Free software.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by Koshkin on Saturday December 28, 2024 @07:41PM (#42536304)
The “moral entitlement” has nothing to do with this. The software is legally required to abide by its license agreement (which, by the way, you are supposed to have read, understood, and accepted prior to using said software).
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by simondotau on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:39PM (#42536641)
I honestly can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. A license grants the end user permission to use the software. It is not a series of obligations for how the software operates. This would be excruciatingly obvious if you read any software license.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by Koshkin on Sunday December 29, 2024 @11:50AM (#42541064)
A license agreement is, well, an agreement between the manufacturer and the consumer which may include a requirement to acknowledge certain aspects of how the software operates (e.g. the user may be required to agree to “share” some data).
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by simondotau on Sunday December 29, 2024 @03:30PM (#42542790)
Some commercial software licenses may include various disclaimers which exist to ward away litigious assholes. They only serve to protect the vendor against legal complaints, and do not impart responsibilities upon the vendor. Such disclaimers are not necessary but corporate lawyers have a raison d'être, and at a certain scale assholes become inevitable.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by int_19h on Saturday December 28, 2024 @09:40PM (#42536958)
They might not be legally entitled to it, but that's just because of our shitty "intellectual property" laws. Morally speaking, OP is absolutely entitled to have a device that they own not spying on them.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by simondotau on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:59PM (#42537406)
Regardless of one's opinion of intellectual property laws, nobody is morally entitled to demand that someone else build the exact oroduct they want. In fact it is immoral to demand that of other people — and you certainly wouldn’t like it if other people could demand that of you.

Want a phone that doesn’t spy on you? Make it yourself. If you can’t, find some like-minded people and incentivise them (with money or otherwise) to make it for you. If they can’t (or won’t) perhaps contemplate the possibility that large capitalist enterprises might be the only practical way to develop some products.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by Nullabillity on Sunday December 29, 2024 @12:50AM (#42537904)
This is just "might makes right" bullshit with slightly prettier framing.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by simondotau on Sunday December 29, 2024 @02:27AM (#42538330)
This has absolutely nothing to do with "might makes right". If a fast food store decides to offer a Vietnamese Peanut Burger and Sugar Cane Juice combo, nut allergy suffers are not "morally entitled" to a nut-free option and diabetics are not "morally entitled" to a sugar-free juice option. This applies whether the fast food store is a small family run business, or McDonalds.

To suggest that customers are "morally entitled" to a Samsung phone with zero tracking and zero telemetry is similarly absurd. If you don't like Samsung's product, don't buy it.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by Nullabillity on Sunday December 29, 2024 @04:07AM (#42538715)
> If a fast food store decides to offer a Vietnamese Peanut Burger and Sugar Cane Juice combo, nut allergy suffers are not "morally entitled" to a nut-free option and diabetics are not "morally entitled" to a sugar-free juice option.

Why not? What gives McD the right to make such a decision unilaterally, other than might?

In fact, this is how disability legislation (for example) already tends to work. You don't get to tell disabled people to just go somewhere else, you have to make reasonable accomodations for them.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by simondotau on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:52AM (#42539399)
> What gives McD the right to make such a decision unilaterally

This cannot be a serious question.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B on Sunday December 29, 2024 @02:40PM (#42542374)
> nut allergy suffers are not "morally entitled" to a nut-free option

Restaurant have a legal obligation to warn the customers. AKA "opt-in" which is NOT what Apple is doing. And it's the whole issue with their behavior.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by simondotau on Sunday December 29, 2024 @03:11PM (#42542632)
Apple's food scientists have verified the food safety of their new recipe, and they are sufficiently confident that nobody will suffer any allergic reaction. Nobody has disputed their assessment.

All consumers can engage in is Info Wars style paranoia, and grandstanding about the aforementioned paranoia.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by Teever on Sunday December 29, 2024 @02:02AM (#42538227)
That's absurd.

We can regulate these problems.

If the EU can regulate away the lightning connector they can regulate away this kind of stuff.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by simondotau on Sunday December 29, 2024 @02:35AM (#42538350)
You're seriously arguing that it's absurd for customers to have "absolute control" over all software?

No EU regulation could regulate away all "moral" concerns over software. More specifically, they EU could regulate, but the overwhelming majority of software companies would either strip significant features out for EU customers, or exit the market altogether.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by LtWorf on Sunday December 29, 2024 @03:29AM (#42538542)
Lol, they keep threatening that but they still like the money of the europeans.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by simondotau on Sunday December 29, 2024 @06:47AM (#42539371)
The EU hasn't threatened granting consumers "absolute control" over all software.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by LtWorf on Sunday December 29, 2024 @07:50AM (#42539605)
I'd vote for a party that said the only legal license is AGPL :D