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Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by epgui on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:46PM (#42534551)
The rules say no such thing, and seem pretty clear to me.

    4.10.1. The dress code is strictly observed for the
    tournament and all the official events and press
    conferences.

    4.10.1.1. Dress code for men.

      Shoes: Oxfords, loafers, leather shoes or boots, classic
    suite shoes.

      Dark-coloured pants: black, navy, grey, beige, brown, in
    any case unicoloured. No bright colours.

      Long-sleeved light-coloured (white, light blue, beige,
    brown, etc.), blue or black shirt, in any case
    unicoloured. No bright colours.

      Dark-coloured jacket, waistcoat or cardigan with
    buttons: black, navy, grey, beige, brown, in any case
    unicoloured. No bright colours.

      Jacket, waistcoat or cardigan may be taken off during
    play.

    Tie is not mandatory.

    [...]

    4.10.1.3. No players with t-shirts, jeans, shorts,
    sneakers, baseball caps or inappropriate dress are allowed
    in the playing area. Any requests to wear national or
    traditional dress shall be approved by FIDE Supervisor.

    [...]

    4.10.9. If a player fails to fulfil his/her duties listed
    in Articles 4.10.1, 4.10.4 – 4.10.8, he/she can be
    penalised by FIDE Council as follows: 5% of his/her prize
    money shall be forfeited to the Organiser and a further 5%
    to FIDE for each breach. In cases of serious misconduct,
    the player may be disqualified from the event.
Reference: https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_...
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by david-gpu on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:58PM (#42534667)
So it says nothing about jeans at all? Magnus was wearing unicoloured navy jeans at the time, which fall within the rules you quoted.

Refusing to match him with a competitor because of this, effectively preventing him to compete, was disproportionate regardless.

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by epgui on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:04PM (#42534714)
I thought it was clear from the context and phrasing that "dark-coloured pants" excluded jeans, but in case there was any doubt:

    4.10.1.3. No players with t-shirts, jeans, shorts,
    sneakers, baseball caps or inappropriate dress are allowed
    in the playing area. Any requests to wear national or
    traditional dress shall be approved by FIDE Supervisor.
Reference: https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/wrbc_regulations_2024_...
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by david-gpu on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:18PM (#42534837)
Thank you, I had missed the section about jeans. I stand corrected.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by munch117 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:25PM (#42534896)
To a Norwegian reader, blue jeans are definitely included in "pants".

It's entirely possible to read 4.10.1.1, conclude that blue jeans are fine, and then skim over 4.10.1.3.

However the Carlsens read it, after reading it, years will have passed. Carlsen didn't dress like he did after a studious read of the rules. He just put on some nice clothes that were no different from what he usually wears at tournaments.

Except he forgot a belt. A proper organiser would have offered to lend him one.

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by epgui on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:28PM (#42534914)
I would assume (but can't know for sure, of course) that Magnus receives the rules before every event, and that he probably has people to help prepare/brief him on anything he needs to know.

He's not a regular participant, Magnus is almost an institution of his own.

Either way, it's literally his job to follow the FIDE rules (which is unusual but true), and he's the best in the world at his job.

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> "It's entirely possible to read 4.10.1.1, conclude that blue jeans are fine, and then skim over 4.10.1.3."

In all fairness I originally did the same, so I hear ya. But I'm not a pro at this.

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by RandomThoughts3 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @04:48PM (#42535072)
> He's not a regular participant, Magnus is almost an institution of his own.

He is also very much no in agreement with FIDE (a tradition for chess champions - see Fischer, Kasparov). And to be honest FIDE is on FIFA level when it comes to being dodgy as an organisation so it’s hardly surprising.

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by wongarsu on Sunday December 29, 2024 @09:16AM (#42540099)
When you attend a conference, how much time do you dedicate to studying the terms of the event?
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by sdwr on Sunday December 29, 2024 @01:49AM (#42538162)
Presumably after years of coming to these events in dress pants and jackets, around other players all wearing suits, he would know the rules without having to read them. It's not like they changed the rules just to catch him out.

This is some combination of

- "I'm above the law"

- teenage rebellion

- protest against the system

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by jasonjmcghee on Monday December 30, 2024 @01:32AM (#42547046)
He's in his 30s
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by HarHarVeryFunny on Sunday December 29, 2024 @11:03AM (#42540726)
It's interesting how much simpler the dress code for women is.

4. 10. 1. 2. Dress code for women.

Classic shoes.

Trouser or skirt suit or dress, preferably unicoloured, but not mandatory

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by GuB-42 on Sunday December 29, 2024 @11:56AM (#42541098)
Women in general have much more freedom in the way they can dress. There are also higher expectations and more unwritten rules.
Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by HarHarVeryFunny on Sunday December 29, 2024 @02:08PM (#42542117)
Agreed, but on the surface of it one might think that given the more varied ways that women might dress, they need more rather than less written rules for women vs men to control the way they actually do dress (at FIDE events).

So, the logical conclusion is perhaps, no surprise, that FIDE don't really want to enforce a strict dress code, but rather want to promote the sport, and that translates differently into dress codes (or lack of them) for men vs women...

Re:Chess: Magnus Carlsen disqualified in N.Y. after refusing... by rasz on Monday December 30, 2024 @11:41AM (#42550883)
>The dress code is strictly observed for the tournament and all the official events and press conferences.

Meanwhile Arkady Dvorkovich, President of FIDE : https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1hntyjb/arkady_dvork...

Dvorkovich is putins puppet, covering for Medvedev when putin was pretending to take a break.