Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where are they now?

Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by citricsquid on Monday July 16, 2012 @08:23PM (#4253445)

Please can you direct me to an open source HTML5 (or not) alternative to Flash for video that supports advertisements and DRM? Flash can't (and will not) die until such a thing exists. It isn't time for flash to die until there's something to replace it.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by ryanpetrich on Monday July 16, 2012 @08:31PM (#4253476)

Open source and DRM are fundamentally incompatible—if neutering the DRM is a mere recompile away, what good is it to the sorts of organizations that require DRM?

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by citricsquid on Monday July 16, 2012 @08:36PM (#4253492)

My mistake, I should have said closed source.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by patrickaljord on Monday July 16, 2012 @08:59PM (#4253565)

It's actually coming. If you go to about:flags in chrome, there's a flag called "Enable experimental Encrypted Media Extensions on the video elements.".

* https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-med...

* https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2012-April/020...

* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/23/microsoft_google_net...

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by cpeterso on Monday July 16, 2012 @08:59PM (#4253562)

DRM'd media is encrypted and cannot be "neutered" if you don't have the decryption key. [Well-designed] DRM relies on secret keys, not secret source code.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by sp332 on Monday July 16, 2012 @09:23PM (#4253643)

Here's the problem: either you have the decryption keys and can get to the content, or you don't and can't. If you can watch a movie on your computer, you already have everything you need to pirate the movie.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by cookiecaper on Tuesday July 17, 2012 @05:57AM (#4254995)

Which, of course, is true for any cryptography, regardless of the openness of its implementation. It may be harder to keep the keys obscured in open code, but then the keys usually don't stay secret that long anyway.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by rabidsnail on Monday July 16, 2012 @09:53PM (#4253709)

XOR is the best DRM. Since all DRM is breakable since you need the decryption key to play the content, the purpose should be to trigger the copy-protection-protection stuff in the DMCA, and XOR is the simplest way to do that.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by tomjen3 on Tuesday July 17, 2012 @01:28AM (#4254237)

If such a thing existed, it should be destroyed. Ads have no place in video and drm for content has no place on the web.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by panacea on Tuesday July 17, 2012 @10:43AM (#4255840)

Take the DRM of your bank account login then.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by tomjen3 on Tuesday July 17, 2012 @11:42AM (#4256183)

I would, if it had any.

But since it has never been published, DRM would make no sense.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by panacea on Tuesday July 17, 2012 @12:26PM (#4256427)

Your bank account details don't reside in a published, yet controlled space on the internet?

I know you're not trying to flog your effort (monetary savings in this case) on a pay-to-view basis, but why (beyond the impossibility of securing the rights) are people who wish to try and sell their effort to those willing to pay, and attempt to restrict those who are unwilling to pay for their effort, somehow intrinsically wrong?

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by tomjen3 on Tuesday July 17, 2012 @03:50PM (#4257531)

There is nothing wrong with that.

I just don't want to be forced to see ads or not be allowed to skip ahead in the video (which is what DRM amounts to).

In other words, I want to be in control of what I see.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by sgrove on Monday July 16, 2012 @08:27PM (#4253465)

It will (eventually) if it's not included in browsers/OS by default. It'll essentially be relegated to RealPlayer's market if that's its only differentiating factor, and advertisers won't put out content for a plugin that can't reach audiences.

It'll be a long time yet though, that's certainly true.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by gkoberger on Monday July 16, 2012 @09:11PM (#4253599)

Like I said, "HTML5 still hasn't caught up". It is time for Flash to die; that doesn't mean it can yet.

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Re:Two men wrote the original Adobe Flash in 1993 - where ar... by comex on Monday July 16, 2012 @11:18PM (#4253912)

Please can you direct me to a version of Flash DRM that's not easy to bypass, such as with rtmpdump?

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