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Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by nradov on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:57AM (#42531080)
China's ridiculous claims to waters outside it's legal territory are irrelevant to the issue of boarding Russian civilian ships in the Baltic Sea. In that area there's no doubt that the vessels are sailing through waters owned by various NATO member states. Russia acknowledges this. But the vessels are exercising the right of innocent passage under the law of the sea.

https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unc...

NATO members can and should find some other pretext to stop, board, and search some of those Russian vessels. But if Russia doesn't back down and sends them with Navy escorts what then? It's worth thinking through the various escalation scenarios before acting.

Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by belorn on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:48AM (#42531832)
It is not innocent passage if they attack the order and security of the coastal State. Article 19 and 21. Undersea cables are explicitly mentioned under 21.

By attack undersea cables the ship are no longer exercising the right of innocent passage, and thus is not protected under the law of the sea.

Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by mountainstar on Saturday December 28, 2024 @05:21PM (#42535327)
Lol, literally a few weeks ago we had NATO leaders talking about how "we need to find a way to shut down the passage of Russian oil" and now how convenient, we suddenly see that Russian taners are apparently doing things which conveniently give NATO a way to shut down the passage of Russian oil.
Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by yakshaving_jgt on Sunday December 29, 2024 @01:36AM (#42538115)
Russia has lost this war.
Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by pjc50 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:04AM (#42531507)
> if Russia doesn't back down and sends them with Navy escorts what then?

The whole point of doing it with a tanker was deniability. Doing it with a Russian-flagged ship makes it overt. The anti-escalation logic applies in both direction: Russia wants to sabotage as much as possible without triggering a huge escalation, because they're not sure they can win that either (and nobody could win a nuclear exchange!)

Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by sampo on Saturday December 28, 2024 @11:12AM (#42532002)
> boarding Russian civilian ships in the Baltic Sea

The ship that was boarded, is registered in the Cook Islands (an associated state of New Zealand), owned and operated by a company in United Arab Emirates. And the ship's crew were Georgian and Indian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_S

Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by tokai on Saturday December 28, 2024 @11:30AM (#42532129)
That's just how shipping works. Non of those countries are the actual owners or operators.
Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by robocat on Saturday December 28, 2024 @05:37PM (#42535450)
Aside: the Cook Islands seems to desire to be independent from NZ: https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/cook-islands-looking-to-de...

Background: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_the_Cook...

It looks like the Cook Islands are heavily dependent on financial support from NZ government, and NZ tourists.

Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by lxgr on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:26AM (#42531699)
They are likely exercising transit passage, which has more protections under the UNCLOS than innocent passage.

That's not to say that nothing can be done, but that it's important to do the right thing, or we risk eroding the few hard-won rules we still have.

Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by coffeebeqn on Saturday December 28, 2024 @09:38AM (#42531309)
In your scenario we’re clearly already in an open conflict
Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday December 28, 2024 @03:31PM (#42534377)
> China's ridiculous claims to waters outside it's legal territory are irrelevant to the issue of boarding Russian civilian ships in the Baltic Sea

China retains the right to board any ship in what it considers its sovereign territory, UNCLOS be damned. A similar reading by Finland would let it legally board any Russian ship transitting "its" straits.

Re:Cable-cutting tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with s... by mountainstar on Saturday December 28, 2024 @05:19PM (#42535306)
"NATO members can and should find some other pretext"

Funny, how all the lectures about the "rules based order" and the "rule of law" from Western necons are shown to be total lies by their own words.