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Re:Why history is always political by tossandthrow on Friday December 27, 2024 @02:46PM (#42525417)
Attribution in science is one of these areas where people are led to believe that is apolitical.

But when you dive into it, it is almost cringy.

An obvious example is the story about Alan Turing that mostly leaves out the foundational work carried out in Poznan.

Re:Why history is always political by labster on Friday December 27, 2024 @02:57PM (#42525492)
Or how women’s contribution to sciences were continually overlooked and sometimes purposefully hidden, going along with the social/political status of women.

History is stories we tell ourselves about the world, stories backed by the evidence not yet lost to entropy. But which stories we choose to tell and which to forget — and what records to preserve — are always influenced by politics.

Re:Why history is always political by kazinator on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:02PM (#42525525)
You two point out something important: a history that appears apolitical on the surface can have a social/cultural/economic/political bias in it (whether conscious or not) by omission or emphasis.

As someone who was born and raised in behind the Iron Curtain of the Eastern Bloc, for instance, I remember the Periodic Table of the Elements being taught as "Mendeleev's Table". That's a political stance: crediting "Us" as much as possible for every development rather than "Them".

Political bias in ostensibly apolitical historic storytelling, is not quite the same thing as historic storytelling from an explicitly political angle.

Re:Why history is always political by tossandthrow on Friday December 27, 2024 @03:54PM (#42525938)
> Political bias in ostensibly apolitical historic storytelling, is not quite the same thing as historic storytelling from an explicitly political angle.

It sounds like you are talking about intent rather than politics - you example does, however, seem to be made with intent.

Re:Why history is always political by labster on Friday December 27, 2024 @07:46PM (#42527513)
I think they’re just not used to thinking about historical study. Even in science, do you focus on the Great Men like Einstein and Newton, or do you choose an Annales approach like Connections? Neither is wrong, but there are right and left overtones to these approaches. The way you assign causes is not always clear; even events themselves are socially constructed. History is a map to the past, but the map is not the territory.
Re:Why history is always political by tremon on Saturday December 28, 2024 @09:51AM (#42531391)
Why do you assume that table was named differently in other parts of the world? I lived on the west side of that curtain, and I was also taught it was called Mendeleev's Table.