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Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by H8crilA on Friday December 27, 2024 @08:55AM (#42522057)
Different types of missiles exist. A cruise missile (for which the Russians have a much better name - winged missile) can be confused with an airplane, as it is essentially a drone with a turbojet engine. A ballistic missile travelling at supersonic/hypersonic speeds is much easier to discriminate based on velocity alone. Also, those are usually tracked all the way from a launch site using infrared cameras on satellites. The European incursions were mostly cruise missiles and the Iranian mopeds (and at least one ballistic incident that was likely a Ukrainian air defense S-300 missile that the Ukrainians lost control of; this is another problem that happens every now and then to everyone).
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by idunnoman1222 on Friday December 27, 2024 @10:15AM (#42522725)
Completely irrelevant if there are missiles that fit the profile of something else because some fit the profile of an airliner end of story
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by smegger001 on Friday December 27, 2024 @10:58AM (#42523216)
Then you are comfortable making a decision that could cost thousands of lives over one with a few hundred without taking in any other information other than a radar bounce that is approximately the same size/speed.
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by H8crilA on Friday December 27, 2024 @11:43AM (#42523634)
I mean you're largely correct. What I'm saying is that there may be a standing order to destroy all ballistic threats, and to exercise a very high degree of caution (high level approvals for each engagement) with any potential air breathing / subsonic threats. I imagine this is a common order given to Patriot batteries in hot, but not war, areas.

BTW, this is a bit similar to why the US very clearly advertises the Tomahawk as not nuclear capable - so that a few subsonic blips do not trigger a strategic exchange. The Russians do not do that, many of their commonly used missiles are dual purpose.

Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by perihelions on Friday December 27, 2024 @01:19PM (#42524569)
The Tomahawk was deployed with nuclear warheads, in several variants, between 1983–2010 or 2013 [0]. As far as I can tell, only the ground-launched variants were consistently advertised as non-nuclear, and that was to comply with the bilateral treaty obligations of the INF [1]—and there was a ground-launched nuclear Tomahawk, too [2], which was destroyed in 1991 when the INF treaty came into effect.

I don't think that there was ever a *unilateral* US aversion to these things. We've fielded large numbers [3] of nuclear-warhead cruise missiles—air-, sea-, and ground-launched, spanning much of the Cold war. We're currently developing a new one right now [4].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(missile_family)#Vari...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_For...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-109G_Gryphon

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuclear_cruise_missil... ("Category: Nuclear cruise missiles of the United States")

[4] https://news.usni.org/2024/06/06/report-to-congress-to-on-nu... ("Report to Congress on Nuclear-Armed Sea-Launched Cruise Missile")

Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by H8crilA on Friday December 27, 2024 @02:41PM (#42525367)
Ugh, I was clearly wrong about the Tomahawk, and I don't know why I thought so. It's probably not a believable story for the adversary, so such self-inhibition cannot yield any strategic results anyways.
Re:Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers by jjtheblunt on Friday December 27, 2024 @01:06PM (#42524456)
Are you meaning (for example) old radar equipment with generated profiles unable to distinguish between what more modern equipment could?