Re:Good cities can't exist without public order
by Kon-Peki on Monday December 23, 2024 @11:03AM
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Yeah, well when I lived in the urban center everyone complained after festivals and other events where the suburbanites would descend and treat the city like their trash can.
Perhaps the real issue are all the lifeless, boring suburbs creating oppressed people that need an outlet.
Re:Good cities can't exist without public order
by motohagiography on Monday December 23, 2024 @05:02PM
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tourism of most kinds isn't really sustainable and it's an economic vice that is unhealthy for everyone involved. a sound tourism strategy anywhere would really focus on sports and arts participation driven travel instead of loafing and circuses.
the public order angle is that you have to take responsibility for your own neighbourhoods because if you don't they're just going to go to shit.
This is not just public transit either. I live in a rural area about 20mins drive north of an exurb, and the peace we make out here is very desirable. We try to resist the paving of roads because it just brings more traffic from people who don't live here or contribute to the local economy or culture. The conversations I have with people coming out to the "middle of nowhere," to drag race, trade drugs, loiter, vandalize, dump litter, and have public sex in front of my farmhouse often end with reminding them the reason they like it out here is because nobody here does the stuff they're doing here. If you like it, treat it better.
What makes these places desirable (anywhere) is the people who live here, and by observing norms, you can be welcome in them. If you go anywhere with a load of garbage in your head about why people should want to be around you and put up with your indulgent nonsense, don't be surprised when they are unenthusiastic, or make a point of walking out and telling you so.
It's like someone bringing a 50W subwoofer on a backcountry canoe trip. It's purpose is to despoil its environment. Terms like NIMBY are thought terminating cliches and epithets that people in cities with no responsibility for their communities use to spoil the environments they envy for others. Instead of advocating for the destruction of peaceful neighbourhoods and environments, why not try making yourself welcome in them instead.