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Re:We use our own hardware at Fastmail by swiftcoder on Sunday December 22, 2024 @11:44AM (#42487449)
> All the pro-cloud talking points... don't persuade anyone with any real technical understanding

This is a very engineer-centric take. The cloud has some big advantages that are entirely non-technical:

- You don't need to pay for hardware upfront. This is critical for many early-stage startups, who have no real ability to predict CapEx until they find product/market fit.

- You have someone else to point the SOC2/HIPAA/etc auditors at. For anyone launching a company in a regulated space, being able to checkbox your entire infrastructure based on AWS/Azure/etc existing certifications is huge.

Re:We use our own hardware at Fastmail by shortsunblack on Sunday December 22, 2024 @12:12PM (#42487661)
You can over-provision your own baremetal resources 20x and it will be still cheaper than cloud. The capex talking point is just that, a talking point.
Re:We use our own hardware at Fastmail by swiftcoder on Sunday December 22, 2024 @02:55PM (#42488616)
As an early-stage startup?

Your spend in the first year on AWS is going to be very close to zero for something like a SaaS shop.

Nor can you possibly scale in-house baremetal fast enough if you hit the fabled hockey stick growth. By the time you sign a colocation contract and order hardware, your day in the sun may be over.

Re:We use our own hardware at Fastmail by rakoo on Sunday December 22, 2024 @05:02PM (#42489529)
> You have someone else to point the SOC2/HIPAA/etc auditors at.

I would assume you still need to point auditors to your software in any case

Re:We use our own hardware at Fastmail by resonious on Sunday December 22, 2024 @08:01PM (#42490713)
You do, which makes it very nice to not have to answer questions about the physical security of your servers.