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Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by swalsh on Friday December 20, 2024 @07:58PM (#42476643)
Never change HN "OH WOW AGI level AI was created, but it's current iteration costs $1000/task, guess it's useless"
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by adamtaylor_13 on Friday December 20, 2024 @08:13PM (#42476721)
I know AGI is a bit of a moving goalpost these days, but by my personally anecdotal and irrelevant opinion this ain’t AGI.

I’ll let those smarter than me debate the merits of AGI, but if it can’t learn and self-improve it isn’t “general” intelligence.

This is a very smart computer, accomplishing a very niche set of problems. Cool? Yes. AGI? No.

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by BobbyJo on Friday December 20, 2024 @08:32PM (#42476805)
I think what current technology is missing is in situ learning. I don't think that's a massive leap from where we are though.
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by Jensson on Friday December 20, 2024 @08:55PM (#42476896)
How is in situ learning not a massive leap? We have no clue how to make an intelligent general task judger, and without that we don't know how to do in situ learning that actually improves performance on general tasks.
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by danenania on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:10PM (#42476968)
Not to say it wouldn’t be a leap, but is there anything particularly special about learning that makes it unachievable? If you can reason and you can do trial and error, given enough time and compute I think most things should be learnable?
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by Jensson on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:22PM (#42477033)
> If you can reason and you can do trial and error

Trial and error requires a judge to determine if there was an error. To do trial and error for general tasks you need a general judge, and it needs to be good in order to get intelligent results. All examples of successful AI you see have human judges or human programmed narrow judges. Chess AI training is an example where we have a human programmed judge, but for most tasks not even humans can code up a good judge.

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by danenania on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:34PM (#42477082)
Does it necessarily require a judge? Many tasks have objective success criteria. A basketball goes through the hoop or it doesn’t.

If the success criteria are inherently subjective, like music or art, you can use human reactions as the criteria, while also using reasoning to infer principles about what is or isn’t received well. That’s what humans do.

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by Jensson on Saturday December 21, 2024 @01:55AM (#42477967)
> Does it necessarily require a judge? Many tasks have objective success criteria. A basketball goes through the hoop or it doesn’t.

You just said what there is to judge in one specific scenario, a general AI has to make the decision to judge itself that way which is not objective, it is extremely hard to decide what to judge yourself by in a generic situation.

For example, lets say you are in a basketball court, with a basketball. What is a good outcome? Is it shooting the ball in the hoop? But maybe it isn't your turn, someone else is shooting now, then shooting at the hoop is a bad outcome, how do you make the AI recognize that instead of mindlessly trying to make the ball go in the hoop without considering the context?

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by danenania on Saturday December 21, 2024 @07:16AM (#42479241)
I’d say that while a full basketball game is a lot more complex, it’s made up of a lot of component tasks that still have objective success criteria: dribbling, passing, setting picks, doing your part in a play, etc. Ultimately your team either scores or it doesn’t.

Not to say it isn’t difficult, but I don’t think humans are doing anything particularly magical when they learn to play basketball—something I did myself when I was a kid. You learn each skill from a coach’s demonstration, practice them all a lot (practice = trial and error) and develop an intuition (reasoning) about what do to in various situations.

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by BobbyJo on Saturday December 21, 2024 @01:44AM (#42477934)
I think its mainly a software/use case problem as opposed to an architectural problem.

Right now AI systems are built top to bottom to learn in development, and be deployed as a static asset. This isn't because online learning isn't doable, its because there isn't a great use case for current limitations. Either the algorithms are too slow, or computers are too slow, take your pick.

Chain of Thought is basically a more constrained version of in situ learning, only the knowledge has a lifetime bound to the task. Propagating the information into the model would be too resource hungry, and too unpredictable to productize. Honestly, taking the result of Chain of thought, and feeding that back into training offline is probably where a lot of the progress on these kinds of tasks is coming from.

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by fastball on Friday December 20, 2024 @08:58PM (#42476910)
What is your personal benchmark for AGI? Turing test was surpassed years ago, ARC-AGI was a next step some quite clever people in the space came up with as a successor, and has now surpassed as well.

So what is your benchmark?

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by buzzy_hacker on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:33PM (#42477079)
> Turing test was surpassed years ago

I keep seeing this thrown around, but did anyone actually like go out and do this? I feel like I could distinguish between an AI (even the latest models) and a person after a text-only back and forth conversation.

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by fastball on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:55PM (#42477186)
The models you've interacted with have guardrails. If you fine-tuned an LLM with the goal of "convince people you are human" (effectively the opposite of what the major players are doing with their fine-tunes), I am very confident even you would be fooled.
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by adamtaylor_13 on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:12PM (#42476980)
Self-learning. Human level intelligence, which isn’t a set of facts but rather the ability to self-learn and correct which LLMs are completely unable to do right now.
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by fastball on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:53PM (#42477173)
It is fairly clear to me that self-learning is already possible. Give an agentic LLM the ability to add things to its own context window, or fine tune itself, and it will.
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by CamperBob2 on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:21PM (#42477028)
Self-learning

That's exactly what this particular benchmark requires.

Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by __MatrixMan__ on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:22PM (#42477034)
I'll start worrying about AGI once I'm convinced there's such a thing as GI.
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by sjfidsfkds on Friday December 20, 2024 @09:56PM (#42477193)
How do you have anecdotal opinion on this o3 model that hasn’t been publicly released yet?
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by zeofig on Friday December 20, 2024 @08:01PM (#42476657)
Agi level my ass
Re:OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB by haidev on Friday December 20, 2024 @08:03PM (#42476672)
+1