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Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by graybeardhacker on Friday December 20, 2024 @12:41PM (#42473103)
The graph shows the price for 3100 kWh. I'm not sure if that is a very low annual amount or a very very high monthly amount.

The average US household uses 10,000 kWh annually ~833 kWh per month. So I'm guessing most Americans reading the article and looking at the interactive graph are thinking either: this is very cheap or very expensive, depending on whether they are assuming it's monthly or annual.

In the US the average price for 3100 kWh in California would be $1062 which is among the highest in the continental US. So right in line with GB.

In New York it would be $710. Florida it would be $454.

So it's high, but not as eye-watering as it seemed to me initially.

Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by switch007 on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:54PM (#42473751)
We mostly don't have AC, we have tiny houses, our heating is gas powered. Lots of showers aren't electric either. We don't use huge amounts compared to the US
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by nine_k on Friday December 20, 2024 @05:20PM (#42475659)
Gladly would, but few can afford :-/
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by pfdietz on Friday December 20, 2024 @07:39PM (#42476552)
When you switch to heat pumps you'll get AC for no extra capital cost.
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by lowsong on Saturday December 21, 2024 @01:29AM (#42477885)
Unfortunately not. Most houses in the UK are heated using a 'central heating' loop. A closed loop of water that circulated through pipes run through the house and through large radiators in each room. A central boiler, usually a gas boiler, burns gas to heat and circulate this loop to provide whole-house heating, while also typically using a heat exchanger to heat the intake cold drinking water supply into a whole house hot drinking water. (Thus, most houses have cold, hot, and central heating piping).

If you switch out the gas boiler for a heat pump, it can still heat the hot water and heat the central heating loop. But it can't provide cooling that way. There is no infrastructure in most houses to run AC ducting or refrigerant pipes.

You might think that you could simply cool the water in the central heating loop, and therefore make all of the radiators very cold, and use that to move heat out of rooms. In theory that might work, but in most houses these central heating pipes are not insulated and run under floorboards. If you make them cold then they'll cause condensation, leading to water in all kinds of small spaces, and likely leading to warping, damage, or mould.

In the UK, retrofitting AC into an existing house is a huge undertaking in most cases.

Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by KolenCh on Saturday December 21, 2024 @06:56AM (#42479156)
Good point. Not to mention the circulation will be all wrong had the radiator been cool instead of warm. (The primary means of heating by radiator actually comes from convection rather than radiation.)
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by pfdietz on Saturday December 21, 2024 @08:29AM (#42479544)
Good point, my mistake.
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by bfmalky on Friday December 20, 2024 @12:59PM (#42473234)
That's the annual figure. But just for electricity. Most UK homes are heated with gas, and many have gas stoves, so the average kWh annual gas figure is much higher (~12,000kWh).
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by J_McQuade on Friday December 20, 2024 @02:09PM (#42473902)
3100 kWh is the figure set by the regulator as the representative annual usage used to calculate prices for e.g. tariff comparison between suppliers. It makes sense to use it here.
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by Aachen on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:31PM (#42473496)
We're at ~3.6 MWh in a ground floor apartment with 2 adults, with water heating (e.g. showering) electric but building heating on gas (though we use a space heater a lot as well, probably to the tune of 0.2 MWh/year)
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by Hamuko on Friday December 20, 2024 @03:26PM (#42474682)
I wonder if I should feel bad since I'm currently at 2830 kWh in 2024 for a single household with all heating costs not coming out of my electric bill.
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by klasma on Friday December 20, 2024 @04:11PM (#42475083)
I‘m at ~1200 kWh for what sounds like the same.
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by Aachen on Saturday December 21, 2024 @07:59PM (#42483629)
Hard to say since usage doesn't simply divide by 2: the fridge needs to run regardless of how much food there is (it matters, but not linearly), or if you watch a TV every evening with 2 persons or 1 doesn't show up on the bill either. Probably best to ask friends and see how they get their costs down or if, conversely, you can give them tips
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by matthewmorgan on Friday December 20, 2024 @02:56PM (#42474399)
Californian pricing would be okay if we had Californian living standards.
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by piva00 on Friday December 20, 2024 @12:57PM (#42473219)
Median income and take home pay should be brought into account though. California has one of the highest even by US standards so a $1000 bill for the median Californian family feels much less expensive than for the median Manchester family.
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by akira2501 on Friday December 20, 2024 @06:10PM (#42476045)
There are no median families. There are a lot of very high wage earners in CA. You should really be looking for the mode here.
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by piva00 on Sunday December 22, 2024 @10:20AM (#42486862)
I agree, the mode is probably better. Anyway from the median you can also get a good guess of how much income the band sitting between 25%-75% has since it's a normal distribution. Either comparison should be ok for a guesstimate of the impact of electricity bills for a family in California vs different parts of the UK.
Re:Why are UK electricity bills so expensive? by Hilift on Friday December 20, 2024 @05:57PM (#42475938)
There is clearly a difference between states that invested in projects that went over budget. Power generation is cheaper in a lot of states due to the price of natural gas is dramatically lower than it was 20 years ago. Florida uses gas for 75% of electricity.