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Re:Waymo achieves 92% reduction in bodily injury claims comp... by zahlman on Friday December 20, 2024 @10:53AM (#42472134)
>That is at best 4 miles of New York subway [2]. It's a third of a train between Bakersfield and Merced [3].

Bakersfield to Merced is 171 miles of intercity high-speed rail. It's unclear to me why Californians need to make such trips with any significant frequency, and it's certainly not what I'd normally think of as "public transit".

22 years ago in Toronto, the Sheppard line (3.4 mi, underground) was built for less than $1b CAD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_4_Sheppard). From what I can tell, costs in NYC are mainly a NYC problem.

Re:Waymo achieves 92% reduction in bodily injury claims comp... by kasey_junk on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:15PM (#42473361)
Chicago is extending an existing above ground train line along an existing freeway (no right of way issues, not a subway, etc) 5.6 miles. It’s four stops and a new rail yard. 3.6B.

https://www.transitchicago.com/ctas-36-billion-red-line-exte...

It may be an American problem but it’s certainly not just NYC. But of course most of Waymos market is American as well.

Re:Waymo achieves 92% reduction in bodily injury claims comp... by zahlman on Friday December 20, 2024 @06:25PM (#42476161)
Something may have changed more recently. The first stage of the Eglinton Crosstown LRT line in Toronto looks like it will come in at around (converting currency and distances) 9B for 12 miles. Locals generally don't seem to think this represents a success. (Despite being light rail, about 2/3 of this first stage will run underground.)

(The REM in Montreal - https://www.cdpqinfra.com/en/projects/rem - is doing much better than that, despite going over budget and being delayed quite a bit.)

Re:Waymo achieves 92% reduction in bodily injury claims comp... by achatham on Friday December 20, 2024 @02:06PM (#42473860)
But the Bakersfield/Merced HSR line is an actual project, estimated at over $30B (it makes no sense independently but is part of LA-to-SF).

You seem to be comparing an actual, private tech project to what you wished public transit looked like, not what it actually looks like.

Public transit is awesome, but construction costs in the anglophone world are bananas (https://transitcosts.com/).

Re:Waymo achieves 92% reduction in bodily injury claims comp... by zahlman on Friday December 20, 2024 @05:47PM (#42475876)
The Sheppard line is real. It was constructed about 20 years ago. I have used it.
Re:Waymo achieves 92% reduction in bodily injury claims comp... by mulmen on Friday December 20, 2024 @02:56PM (#42474407)
> It's unclear to me why Californians need to make such trips with any significant frequency,

Because they’re both between Los Angeles and San Francisco.

> and it's certainly not what I'd normally think of as "public transit".

If not trains between cities what do you consider public transit?

Re:Waymo achieves 92% reduction in bodily injury claims comp... by zahlman on Friday December 20, 2024 @06:05PM (#42476006)
>Because they’re both between Los Angeles and San Francisco.

This explains exactly nothing to me. There are many cities between Toronto and Montreal (the two largest CMAs in Canada, and about 88% of that driving distance) and I can't imagine why anyone would regularly travel between those two, either. Nor can I imagine why someone would make regular trips between Belleville and Ottawa (very close to the Bakersfield-Merced distance, and two of the larger cities in between).

>If not trains between cities what do you consider public transit?

Subways, light rail, streetcars and buses, all operating within a city. And, yes, trains operating within a CMA. (GO Transit trains from Toronto can get you as far as Kitchener, but as far as I know it's a vastly less popular route than the main Lakeshore lines. From Hamilton to Oshawa is definitely not solid built-up area, but it's pretty dense.)

I can't understand why this would be non-obvious. Maybe there's a cultural difference. Are Americans really so dedicated to urban sprawl that residents of a metropolis with an 7- or even 8-digit population might still require regular intercity travel to go about their lives?

Re:Waymo achieves 92% reduction in bodily injury claims comp... by JumpCrisscross on Friday December 20, 2024 @07:24PM (#42476473)
> can't understand why this would be non-obvious. Maybe there's a cultural difference

Yes. Many Americans take it for granted that we have quick access to a variety of cities and landscapes. (Particularly on the coasts.)

Keep in mind that America is about a third richer, on a GDP per capita basis, than Canada. Even with stark income inequality, that produces a large disposable-income gap. Add to that the population gap and you have about the population of Canada travelling intercity many times a year.