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Re:HAM radio operators receive signals from Voyager 1 on Dwi... by quux on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:28PM (#42467455)
If I'm understanding this right, they were able to receive the carrier, but didn't demodulate any signal or decode any data?
Re:HAM radio operators receive signals from Voyager 1 on Dwi... by amatecha on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:56AM (#42468897)
I wonder about that too, was it just only transmitting an unmodulated carrier at the time (minus 22 hours lol)? Or is the signal quality too poor to discern any modulation? Or something else? >_>
Re:HAM radio operators receive signals from Voyager 1 on Dwi... by thomas_tel on Friday December 20, 2024 @06:03AM (#42470070)
We only see the carrier because it has such narrow bandwidth, the modulated data is for us not distinguishable from the noise. FYI, at this data rate the carrier contains 25% of the transmitted power.
Re:HAM radio operators receive signals from Voyager 1 on Dwi... by kqbx on Friday December 20, 2024 @05:30AM (#42469850)
The article is light on details, but we can make some guesses based on the label "10s integrations, 1Hz channels" in the plot. I assume they have a bank of 1Hz filters, and they split the output of each filter into 10s intervals, and somehow combine ('integrate') each 10s chunk into a single number for each bin.

They need to compensate the Doppler shift so that the signal stays in one bin over the 10s integration time. I imagine they are using non-coherent integration (basically computing total signal energy over 10s in each bin) to take into account that the doppler compensation is not perfect (if it was, you could have 0.1Hz bins with 10s integration time).

If the above is true, then yeah, they can't demodulate any data because the integration time is much longer than symbol duration.

I wonder if with more accurate Doppler prediction, you could get an ever longer integration time and narrower bins, and thus even bigger SNR gain, perhaps allowing signal detection with a smaller dish...

Re:HAM radio operators receive signals from Voyager 1 on Dwi... by thomas_tel on Friday December 20, 2024 @06:01AM (#42470057)
The "live" plot (with the peak) uses indeed 1Hz bins (of 1 second), that we average over the last 2-3 minutes to reduce the noise. We could go even narrower, I might give that a try on the recorded data.
Re:HAM radio operators receive signals from Voyager 1 on Dwi... by kqbx on Friday December 20, 2024 @06:27AM (#42470218)
Thank you for the clarification. Recently I've been reading a lot about tracking of space objects (though much closer ones, on LEO/MEO), so this is some very interesting stuff for me!