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Re:In Defense of Y'All by gregorymichael on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @03:48PM (#42445156)
Fun litmus test, if the person challenging this assertion happens to be a straight male: "how many guys have you slept with?"
Re:In Defense of Y'All by NobodyNada on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @03:57PM (#42445250)
I'd guess this depends on region/demographic, but at least in my circles on the west coast, "guys" is gendered when it's used to describe or identify people in the third person, but it's gender-neutral when used to address a group of people in the second person.

So "the guys" or "how many guys" always refers to men, but "you guys" carries no implication of gender at all. I often hear people address groups consisting entirely of women as "guys", and nobody bats an eye.

Re:In Defense of Y'All by gregorymichael on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @04:00PM (#42445273)
Yes agreed. In most regions/groups in America, "you guys" does not carry the same meaning as "a group of guys"
Re:In Defense of Y'All by Izkata on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:56AM (#42461940)
Also for reference, these are "compound nouns" - a single noun composed of multiple words. No one has these issues with "ice cream", for example, but "you guys" really is just another one of these.
Re:In Defense of Y'All by NobodyNada on Thursday December 19, 2024 @01:51PM (#42464553)
I think it makes sense to say "you guys" is a compound noun, but the word "guys" can be used in this gender-neutral addressing-a-group sense outside of the phrase "you guys". For example: "Hey guys!", or "Guys, what should I eat for lunch?"