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Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by 015a on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @11:53AM (#42442944)
Its a lot harder to share the passkey for e.g. your Netflix account among friends.
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by acdha on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @12:11PM (#42443103)
So you think that Netflix has gone to Microsoft to start a multi-year industry-wide standardization process to change how people login because that’s easier than looking at their own log files?

Netflix didn’t crack down on shared passwords when they were growing rapidly but that’s not because they couldn’t.

Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by 015a on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @12:15PM (#42443136)
I don't, but yes; many seriously actually believe this is why the industry is moving to passkeys. It isn't logical, it isn't reasonable, but these are your customers.
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by acdha on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @12:37PM (#42443342)
So that sounds like an argument for better education, not recirculating baseless conspiracy theories.
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by recursive on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @01:25PM (#42443819)
Baseless? Can you think of a reason why Netflix wouldn't support it for precisely this reason? Their campaign against account sharing is widely publicized. Do you think account sharing is easier or harder under passkeys? Just because it's a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it's false.
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by acdha on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @02:20PM (#42444331)
It’s baseless because it’s pure speculation without any evidence, or even a coherent argument for why they’d go to so much work for something they already do at much lower cost.
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by recursive on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @02:36PM (#42444463)
I think the argument is misunderstood here. I'm not saying this is the only reason that Netflix would be in favor of passkeys, just that it's one reason, not even the main one.

Here's the argument. I guess it's up to you whether you think it's coherent.

1. Netflix dislikes account sharing. They'd rather have two people pay for two subscriptions. They're a business, and are in favor of higher subscription numbers. 2. Passkeys make account sharing harder. Customer behavior modeling probably suggests that some fraction of account share-ers would create new subscriptions if they switched to passkeys. 3. Of all the reasons Netflix is in favor or against passkeys, this reason is in favor of them, via 1. and 2.

Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by acdha on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @06:29PM (#42446571)
I think the argument was a flippant response by another user riffing off of a conspiracy theorist who misunderstood how passkeys work, and while I appreciate the effort you’ve made trying to salvage it I am skeptical that Netflix would be motivated enough to be part of their hypothetical Netflix/Google/Microsoft/Apple conspiracy but not enough to even implement passkey support.
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by nijave on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @01:00PM (#42443560)
I haven't tried--cant you share passkeys stored in your password manager?
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by 015a on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @04:29PM (#42445505)
Yes, if you're both using the same password manager. But, while you live in Silicon Valley bubbleland, most people don't. The world's most popular password manager is Excel; and sadly it does not support sharing passkeys (or, really, passkeys at all).
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by acdha on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @06:10PM (#42446452)
By now, wouldn’t the most popular password manager be the one builtin to Chrome, followed by Microsoft and Apple’s?
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by samcat116 on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @03:23PM (#42444910)
You just hit the share button for the passkey in Apple/Google Passwords/your password manager
Re:Microsoft Confirms Password Deletion for 1B Users by 015a on Tuesday December 17, 2024 @04:33PM (#42445530)
That only works if the share target is using the same password manager.

If you asked most people "what password manager do you use" they would give you a blank stare; but sadly, the answer is rarely "I'm not using one" the answer is usually Apple or Chrome or whatever is built in and most convenient.