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Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by vouaobrasil on Monday December 16, 2024 @02:15PM (#42434273)
> PS: anything you write on HN can already have been written by AI, pretty soon you may as well quit producing any content at all. No one will care whether you wrote it.

People theoretically would care, but the internet has already set up producing things to be pseudo-anonymous, so we have forgotten the value of actually having a human being behind content. That's why AI is so successful, and it's a damn shame.

Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by skeledrew on Monday December 16, 2024 @02:43PM (#42434571)
What exactly is the value of having a human behind content if it gets to the point that content generated by AI is indistinguishable from content generated by humans?
Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by vouaobrasil on Monday December 16, 2024 @03:01PM (#42434770)
The fact that anyone would ask this question is incredible!

It's so we can in a fraction of those cases, develop real relationships to others behind the content! The whole point of sharing is to develop connections with real people. If all you want to do is consume independently of that, you are effectively a soulless machine.

Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by skeledrew on Saturday December 21, 2024 @10:33PM (#42484212)
A few may be interested in developing a relationship. The vast majority though is only interested in consuming content and moving on. I fail to see how that preference makes one a "soulless machine". But maybe I'm already a lost cause shrugs.
Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by realce on Monday December 16, 2024 @03:47PM (#42435245)
What does indistinguishable even mean here?

If a fish could write a novel, would you find what it wrote interesting, or would it seem like a fish wrote it? Humans absorb information relative to the human experience, and without living a human existence the information will feel fuzzy or uncanny. AI can approximate that but can't live it for real. Since it is a derivative of an information set, it can never truly express the full resolution of it's primary source.

Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by skeledrew on Saturday December 21, 2024 @10:41PM (#42484237)
All that may or may not be the case, but whether or not it is, given that AI is trained on the works of humanity, it only stands that it'll inevitably get to the point where the content it creates will evoke the same response as if created by a human. "Roses are red" is composed of the same bit sequence, regardless of creator.
Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by turnsout on Monday December 16, 2024 @02:59PM (#42434739)
I think "indistinguishable" is a receding horizon. People are already good at picking out AI text, and AI video is even easier. Even if it looks 100% realistic on the surface, the content itself (writing, concept, etc) will have a kind of indescribable "sameness" that will give it away.

If there's one thing that connects all media made in human history, it's that humans find humans interesting. No technology (like literally no technology ever) will change that.

Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by theshackleford on Monday December 16, 2024 @09:48PM (#42437858)
> People are already good at picking out AI text, and AI video is even easier.

Source? My experience has been that people at most might be “ok” at picking up completely generic output, and outright terrible at identifying anything with a modicum of effort or chance placed into it.

Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by PittleyDunkin on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @08:33AM (#42450282)
> My experience has been that people at most might be “ok” at picking up completely generic output, and outright terrible at identifying anything with a modicum of effort or chance placed into it.

Bold of you to assume any effort is placed into content when the entire point of using AI in the first place is to avoid this.

Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by theshackleford on Thursday December 19, 2024 @06:44PM (#42466941)
> Bold of you to assume any effort is placed into content when the entire point of using AI in the first place is to avoid this.

I mean, i've seen people using it in that way yes. These are normally the same people I saw copying and pasting the first google result they found for any search as an answer to their customers/co-workers etc. qOr to whom you would say "Do not send this to the customer, this is my explanation to you, use your own words, this is just a high level blah blah" and then five minutes later you see your response word for word having gone out to a customer with zero modification or review for appropriateness.

I equally see a very different kind of usage, where its just another tool used for speeding up portions of work, but not being produced to complete a work in totality.

Like sadly yes, i've now see sales members with rando chrome extensions that just attach AI to everything and they just let it do whatever the fuck it wants, which makes me want to cry...but again, these people were already effectively doing that, they are just doing it faster than ever.

Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by skeledrew on Saturday December 21, 2024 @10:25PM (#42484183)
You'll be surprised by how many already mistake AI generated content for human creation[0], when the tech is still so young. And it cuts both ways since people also mistake human creations for AI content [1]. I see no reason why it won't eventually get to the point where they're fully indistinguishable, given AI is continually being trained to be better. Bits are bits, whether arranged by man or AI.

[0] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-76900-1 [1] https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/06/this-photo-got-3rd-in-an-...

Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by PittleyDunkin on Wednesday December 18, 2024 @08:31AM (#42450278)
> What exactly is the value of having a human behind content if it gets to the point that content generated by AI is indistinguishable from content generated by humans?

What would be the point of paying for AI content if nobody did anything to produce it? Just take that shit!

Re:Veo 2: Our video generation model by skeledrew on Saturday December 21, 2024 @10:45PM (#42484250)
There won't even be any "paying" or "taking" per se. What is generated by one can be generated by another, making those concepts generally moot in that regard.