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Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by cyberax on Saturday December 14, 2024 @07:35PM (#42420541)
We need to remove technology out of the school entirely (outside of computer science classes).

No iPads instead of books, only manual note-taking, regular blackboards/whiteboards instead of projectors, no calculators, and so on.

Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by Wool2662 on Saturday December 14, 2024 @07:38PM (#42420556)
Non of that paper stuff! Stone tablets only.
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by rkagerer on Saturday December 14, 2024 @07:43PM (#42420576)
Would abaci be too high tech?
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by caseyy on Saturday December 14, 2024 @08:22PM (#42420755)
"You won't always have an abacus in your pocket."
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by bawolff on Saturday December 14, 2024 @09:00PM (#42420918)
Abaci would actually probably be good for making mental math come naturally.

As a general rule, i am on team - if you need a calculator in math class then you aren't learning math.

Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by thfuran on Saturday December 14, 2024 @11:06PM (#42421386)
Because if you're studying real math, a calculator wouldn't help?
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by bawolff on Sunday December 15, 2024 @12:13AM (#42421639)
Either that, or you are trying to teach people arithmatic, in which case having them do it by hand is a benefit.
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by cyberax on Sunday December 15, 2024 @12:04AM (#42421606)
Pretty much. You either do every calculation symbolically, or you need a full-blown computer for numeric methods.
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by SoftTalker on Saturday December 14, 2024 @09:27PM (#42421025)
We learned to use them in elementary school (1970s)!

It was what I think they now call a "manipulative" as way to teach place value, addition, and multiplication.

Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by cyberax on Sunday December 15, 2024 @12:05AM (#42421610)
An interesting question, actually. It feels like they can be a good teaching tool, compared to calculators.
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by cyberax on Sunday December 15, 2024 @12:03AM (#42421598)
No. Paper and handwriting is great.
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by doug_durham on Sunday December 15, 2024 @01:20PM (#42424963)
For a subset of the population who are manually adept. Excluding modalities from school isn't productive.
Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by cyberax on Sunday December 15, 2024 @01:37PM (#42425074)
You become manually adept by practicing.

And of course, people who physically can't write need to have specialized curriculae. Just like we have them for deaf or dyslexic kids.

Re:School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improve... by SoftTalker on Saturday December 14, 2024 @09:22PM (#42421007)
100% agree for elementary school, probably up until high school even.