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Re:Feds help health insurers hide their dirty secret: denial... by wat10000 on Friday December 13, 2024 @10:37AM (#42409445)
The difference is that patients in the US are being denied by people lining their own pockets with the savings. In sane countries, there’s at least some basis of trying to do the most good with the resources at hand, which sometimes means denying care for person A because those resources would be better spent on person B. With private insurers in the US, it means denying care for person A because they think they can get away with it and it will increase their profits.
Re:Feds help health insurers hide their dirty secret: denial... by nradov on Friday December 13, 2024 @05:42PM (#42412986)
If you actually trace the cashflows, the "people lining their own pockets with the savings" are mainly not the insurers but rather the executives and shareholders for other large companies with self-funded employee health plans. Most insurance companies no longer provide much real insurance but rather primarily administer health plans on behalf of self-funded employers. Due to the minimum medical loss ratio rule, insurers actually make more profit the more claims they approve.

https://www.cms.gov/marketplace/private-health-insurance/med...

If employers wanted it, insurers would be happy to offer health plans that fully paid every claim with zero denials. This would be enormously profitable for the insurers because they could run those health plans with minimal work. But instead, most employers are constantly looking for ways to cut employee health benefit costs. This means incentives aren't aligned.

Re:Feds help health insurers hide their dirty secret: denial... by refurb on Friday December 13, 2024 @10:05PM (#42414339)
> With private insurers in the US, it means denying care for person A because they think they can get away with it and it will increase their profits.

The person at the insurer who denies a claim is not making more money because they denied it. The company as a whole might, but not the person denying it.

Re:Feds help health insurers hide their dirty secret: denial... by wat10000 on Friday December 13, 2024 @11:08PM (#42414609)
Right, the ones who profit are just setting up the rules, policies, and incentive structures that those people work under.
Re:Feds help health insurers hide their dirty secret: denial... by refurb on Saturday December 14, 2024 @01:37AM (#42415127)
This is a really simplistic approach and you're never going to fix it.

There are numerous stakeholders who setup the rules - the government, insurance companies, hospitals, doctors, billers, etc.

All of them profit from the current system, but there is no single stakeholder who decides the overall rules.

Re:Feds help health insurers hide their dirty secret: denial... by wat10000 on Saturday December 14, 2024 @10:04AM (#42417543)
My only point is that there are people with a lot of power to decide who gets what treatments who profit from denying treatment. That’s 100% true.

Fixing it is another matter. Of course that’s not easy.