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Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by reedf1 on Friday December 13, 2024 @04:33AM (#42407215)
>> But of course, the primes aren’t random.

Stunning to me that a staff writer for a science magazine would type this sentence without referencing the riemann hypothesis.

Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by lblume on Friday December 13, 2024 @05:12AM (#42407373)
Quanta Magazine tries to make these topics accessible for people with low knowledge regarding them, thus mentioning the Riemann hypothesis, although adequate and needed for, say, a lecture on the topic, would not really help this goal.
Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by griffzhowl on Friday December 13, 2024 @05:23AM (#42407409)
But the primes are obviously not random, independently of the Riemann hypothesis - they're determinate consequences of the number system. Maybe I missed your point
Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by ecmm on Friday December 13, 2024 @07:32AM (#42407941)
Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by wruza on Friday December 13, 2024 @08:38AM (#42408292)
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I’m curious what this does, cause it seemingly changes nothing (tested on mobile, with “desktop version” too).

Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by graycat on Friday December 13, 2024 @07:18AM (#42407884)
In 1933, A. Kolmogorov used H. Lebesgue's measure theory to define random variables. With that definition, could have a random variable X whose values are only prime numbers and such that for each prime number p and for probability measure P,

P(X = p > 0),

that is, the probability that X = p is positive.

So, with X, the prime numbers are random.

References:

With TeX markup, polished details on measure theory are in

H.\ L.\ Royden, {\it Real Analysis: Second Edition,\/} Macmillan, New York, 1971.\ \

Walter Rudin, {\it Real and Complex Analysis,\/} ISBN 07-054232-5, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1966.\ \

and polished details on probability theory based on measure theory are in

Leo Breiman, {\it Probability,\/} ISBN 0-89871-296-3, SIAM, Philadelphia, 1992.\ \

Jacques Neveu, {\it Mathematical Foundations of the Calculus of Probability,\/} Holden-Day, San Francisco, 1965.\ \

Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by ecmm on Friday December 13, 2024 @07:28AM (#42407920)
What does "with X" mean in this context?
Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by graycat on Friday December 13, 2024 @07:54AM (#42408047)
Uh, Joe, you have random variable X. What is its value?

Sam, just a minute. Let me draw a sample. Got one: X = 7.

But, Joe 7 is not very surprising or interesting. Is there anything else?

Sam, sure, one more minute. Got one!

Joe, well, then, WHAT is it????

Sam, sorry, it has 2^12345 digits and will take a while to print it out; this morning I have a coffee shop meeting with Susan; and I don't want to miss Susan, cute, pretty, sweet, smart, darling, adorable, precious ..., and single!

Exercise: Show that there is a random variable Y with the same distribution as X and such that X and Y are independent random variables. I.e., knowledge of X tells us nothing about Y.

The intuitive concept of random is closer to unpredictable given even everything else, that is, what probability theory defines as independent.

There are more details in Royden, Rudin, Breiman, and Neveu. To preview, there is a non-empty set Omega with a collection F of subsets that form a sigma algebra and a measure P on F. Then random variable X is a measurable function from Omega to the set of all prime numbers. So, for some point w in Omega and function X, X(w) is a prime number. Can think of w as a trial.

Uh, this morning I'm working on some Rexx code, so here I can't reproduce or compete with the references by Royden, Rudin, Breiman, and Neveu.

Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by graycat on Friday December 13, 2024 @09:39AM (#42408792)
Edit:

Replace

P(X = p > 0)

with

P(X = p) > 0

Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by YetAnotherNick on Friday December 13, 2024 @10:08AM (#42409077)
Riemann hypothesis(conjecture) doesn't prove much for prime, other than a tight bound on the prime counting function.

Most just mean related Riemann's explicit formula for prime when they link Riemann hypothesis and prime number.

Re:Mathematicians uncover a new way to count prime numbers by bmacho on Friday December 13, 2024 @10:38AM (#42409455)
Weird. It is obviously true. Also it is redundantly explained in the very next half sentence:

> But of course, the primes aren’t random. They’re completely determined,

Also this whole thread that this post started is so stupid.