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Re:Show HN: I designed an espresso machine and coffee grinde... by tda on Friday December 13, 2024 @02:27AM (#42406610)
I was just wondering the other day why all espresso machines seem to have the same loud pump from the same factory. The pump is just a plastic tube, a sping, a valve and a huge coil around it that vibrates on mains 50/60Hz. Essentially a soap dispenser combined with a doorbell
Re:Show HN: I designed an espresso machine and coffee grinde... by jb1991 on Friday December 13, 2024 @03:18AM (#42406836)
It’s not all machines. Some have rotary pumps which are very nice and quiet.
Re:Show HN: I designed an espresso machine and coffee grinde... by julian_t on Friday December 13, 2024 @03:54AM (#42406997)
And some have a manually-operated lever, which is completely silent.
Re:Show HN: I designed an espresso machine and coffee grinde... by smeeeeeeeeeeeee on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:19PM (#42410942)
The ones out there now are wonderful, but quite huge and expensive because they rely on AC motors which sadly aren't very power dense and don't scale down well
Re:Show HN: I designed an espresso machine and coffee grinde... by jb1991 on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:30PM (#42411035)
Rotary pumps aren't that big -- most of the premium espresso machines with vibration pumps are actually bigger than the ones with rotary pumps, i.e. compare a dual boiler or heat exchange vibration pump like Synchronika with a Linea Micra or Lelit, with two boilers and rotary pump.
Re:Show HN: I designed an espresso machine and coffee grinde... by smeeeeeeeeeeeee on Friday December 13, 2024 @12:17PM (#42410377)
It was this exact question that lead me down the rabbit hole to making espresso machines. The main reason everyone uses them is because they're $25, small, and can leverage the oscillation of mains voltage for their operation. The next best thing is probably $300 and quite large and heavy - and those professional gear pumps fundamentally don't scale down well. Ours operates under the same principle though with a completely different sort of motor that hasn't been common until pretty recently.