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Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by tivert on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:31AM (#42399406)
> Worrying parallel: will euthanasia become another "solution" for those who can't afford proper care and treatment? Moving homeless people to warmer cities and offering euthanasia to those who can't afford treatment both avoid fixing the underlying problems.

Almost certainly. IIRC, in Canada there have already been cases where people got euthanasia mainly because their disability payments were insufficient.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by bookaway on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:29PM (#42401853)
I'm sure someone will try to frame it as a Catch 22: "If we knew for sure they would choose suicide if they didn't get the help they requested, we would prioritize them over non-suicidal applicants. But the only way we would know if they would actually choose suicide is if they actually committed to voluntary euthanasia".

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Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by kspacewalk2 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:14PM (#42402306)
No, there haven't been such cases, and no, people are not getting MAiD in Canada because they can't afford care. The eligibility criteria[0] are clear, and strict. This reeks of sensationalism and/or propaganda by people who are morally opposed to the principle of medical assistance in dying, and are using FUD and innuendo to advance their cause without stating it (because they know they lost the moral argument long ago). Maybe you inadvertently picked that up on your shoe and dragged it into this discussion? Hard to know without citations on your part.

[0] https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-servi...

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by thedman9052 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:24PM (#42402403)
This is the last line of the linked article:

"Canadian news outlets have also reported on cases where people with disabilities have considered assisted dying due to lack of housing or disability benefits."

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by kspacewalk2 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:27PM (#42402435)
Okay, they have considered assisted dying. People consider things all the time. That's a very far cry from getting anywhere close to approved for assisted dying.
Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by tivert on Thursday December 12, 2024 @04:00PM (#42403271)
Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by mrguyorama on Thursday December 12, 2024 @04:57PM (#42403832)
What right do you have to say this woman shouldn't be allowed to end her life though?

She spoke to two different doctors and they both agreed to sign off on her death. Do you think the doctors are the ones pushing people to off themselves because they can't live a normal life?

Forcing someone who wants to take the state sanctioned approach to suicide (as opposed to a 9mm sandwich) to talk to two medical professionals seems fine to me. Maybe there's some infinitesimal chance both those two doctors want as many people to die as possible, but eh.

Or, you know, they agreed that she deserved the ability to end her life on her terms. Most people do not take a year to plan and carry out their suicide. Speaking to a doctor is usually the only intervention necessary to help someone looking to suicide for temporary reasons.

When I was suicidal, having to get paperwork done would have stopped me from seeking out this method. Why would I want to interact with a doctor, another doctor, some bureaucracy, and now the news, when instead I could go to Walmart and walk out with a helium cylinder, a plastic bag, a hose, and some tape for $50?

A government doesn't HAVE to legalize euthanasia to push sad, lonely, poor, hurting individuals to kill themselves, they just have to continue defunding medical care and saying "Nope, nothing we can do here, you just have to suffer, can't afford to do better than that".

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by tivert on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:38PM (#42404151)
> What right do you have to say this woman shouldn't be allowed to end her life though?

Read the article. She really wanted appropriate housing, which was the care she needed for her condition. She tried for years, and they wouldn't give it to her.

So she chose assisted suicide instead.

That contradicts the claim "there haven't been such cases."

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by dghlsakjg on Thursday December 12, 2024 @06:33PM (#42404517)
Her approval was based on an untreatable medical condition, and the suffering that ensued. That medical condition was made worse by the housing she had, but was not the cause of it.

You can't apply for MAID due to social conditions on their own, it has to be medically justified first and foremost.

It is an interesting case, but at the end of the day it was a medical decision made by doctors, and a completely separate housing decision made by social services. Neither can talk about the case publicly. It is entirely possible that her chemical sensitivity was so non-specific that it wasn't feasible to provide her with any housing.

The flip side of this is you don't want people to be able to use MAID as some sort of weird blackmail. This woman's stance was "I want a better place to live, or my only other option is MAID".

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by motohagiography on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:31PM (#42402481)
I'm in Canada and I have a relative in hospital who say they are either returning home or doing MAID, as they were not going into a home or "assisted living." coming to terms with your own death is part of the culture here now.

Many people clearly prefer death to being dependent on services. Doctors themselves are known to eschew chemotherapy and difficult surgeries. Most men don't even see the doctors their taxes pay for "free" because the system is so bureaucratic nobody with any responsibilities can afford the time to use it, or the risks of being caught up in the system. Dignity is a big deal for people and many prefer to die with some of it than to live without it.

I think MAID itself is poorly defined and implemented, as really, the health system had no problem killing thousands of young people with loose opioid perscriptions, I don't like that MAID requires allocating execution powers to doctors and their increasingly politicized delegates. death as a service doesn't seem ethical compared to prescription and technical options.

the heart of it is that the institutions don't provide dignity and so people are choosing death. this seems lost on the leadership and its aspirational classes.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by nick__m on Thursday December 12, 2024 @04:58PM (#42403850)
Regarding your comment on loose opioid prescription, in Québec (I cannot talk about other province because health care is a provincial juridiction) , they are not a thing anymore.

20 years ago it was like you said: I received 40 pills of oxycodone 20mg for a strained muscle. But nowadays they're quite strict, too strict imo: a few month ago my wife broke a vertebrae and she only received only 20 pills of hydromorphone 1mg and a month of antacid coated naproxen.

Re:Canada euthanasia now accounts for nearly one in 20 deaths by barbazoo on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:38PM (#42402565)
Extraordinary claims... what's the evidence for that?