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Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:10AM (#42387826)
> judge is saying because the bids were seals losing bidders had no clue what their correct bid is and some are likely to have bid less than they would have in open bidding. Who is right I don't know.

Sealed-bid auctions are incredibly common across markets [1]. Real estate. Corporate mergers.

Note, too, that an English auction is revenue equivalent to a second-price sealed-bid auction [2], and here we had a first-price sealed-bid auction with two bidders.

There may be valid reasons to challenge this auction. Sealed bids is absolutely, definitively not one.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-price_sealed-bid_aucti...

[2] https://www.sfu.ca/~idudnyk/Auctions_Part2_Revenue_Equivalen...

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by bluGill on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:19AM (#42388614)
I am not disagreeing with anything you have said here. Sealed-bid is common. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it doesn't. It is debatable if it is better or not.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:23AM (#42388656)
> It is debatable if it is better or not

No, it really isn’t. Not with two bidders. The moment the first party announces their bid you have perfect collusion (if the second party, rationally, runs out the clock) or a stalled auction (if running out the clock is impossible, thereby always allowing someone to always claim they’ll bid better).

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by iav on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:20AM (#42387924)
you need a lot more than 2 bidders for the theory to hold. Repeating the auction just seems pointless, but another avenue could be for the assets to not be sold, and the claimants to receive 100% of the equity of the business. Then over time they can potentially see a better recovery than what they are getting from a sale.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:30AM (#42388030)
> you need a lot more than 2 bidders for the theory to hold

Wrong. Vickrey auctions are well studied in single-item auctions even with two bidders [1]. (They perform between 4/3 and 2 compared to an optimal omniscient auction. Not solved. But not unstudied.)

> claimants to receive 100% of the equity of the business

This is Chapter 7. The bankruptcy estate already legally owns the asset, not Jones.

[1] https://www.timroughgarden.org/papers/bk.pdf Examples 4.6 and 5.2

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by amyames on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:53AM (#42388306)
The trustee gets something like 3% over $1million in liquidated assets.

Call it 52,000 from the onion sale.

well now someone says I could have bought it for 10 million.

trustee now gets $300,000. They’re not going to get in the way.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:54AM (#42388316)
Why do you think this is relevant? (Everyone is ostensibly trying to maximise the price.)