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Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by ethbr1 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @08:02AM (#42387300)
> mere defamation

I think what Alex Jones is more than mere defamation.

Repeatedly lying about the reality of a school mass shooting, over years, in such a way that he caused threats to be made against the families of victims?

Incitement to credible threats of violence, and especially continuing to do so even after you're aware that's what your listeners are doing, deserves severe consequences.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by logicchains on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @08:37AM (#42387537)
>Incitement to credible threats of violence

Incitement means means explicitly encouraging. Just because someone people made threats of violence to the families because they believed what Alex Jones said about the shootings, doesn't mean that saying "The shootings were faked" is incitement. If Jones had explicitly said "the families deserve to suffer violent consequences for helping fake the shootings", that would be incitement.

That's why he wasn't convicted of incitement, he was convicted of defamation.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by sophacles on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:42AM (#42388176)
Because accuracy is important when discussing legal terms - he wasn't convicted. Defamation is a civil offense, and not a crime. He lost a lawsuit, he did not become a convict.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by gklitz on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:59AM (#42388384)
> Incitement means means explicitly encouraging.

He was literally, as in literally, comparing the families of the victims to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

I don’t know about you, but if someone has been screaming at me for years that I need to be ready for armed conflict with “the enemy” and then points to someone screaming “that guy’s Hitler”, I would definitely take that as explicit encouragement. But obviously it’s all “just comedy” right?

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by nemo44x on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:06AM (#42388452)
> He was literally, as in literally, comparing the families of the victims to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

Isn't that the standard rhetoric of progressives towards conservatives?

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by zeroonetwothree on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:22AM (#42388647)
And they should also stop doing it.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by rbanffy on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:39AM (#42388826)
Sometimes it's pretty accurate though.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by peterfirefly on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:21PM (#42390184)
Sometimes meaning "practically never"?
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by dralley on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:39AM (#42388833)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/1ffzu72/trump_names_s...

Tell me with a straight face that such comparisons are entirely unfair.

Especially when Trump himself says things like that he wished he had "Generals like Hitler had". Or joking that he wants Americans to treat him the way North Koreans treat Kim Jong Un

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/15/donald-trump-...

These people make the unsavory comparisons to themselves but Democrats can't point it out?

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by bigtex88 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:43AM (#42388885)
No it's not, but thank you for this insightful comment.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:38PM (#42390388)
I mean...they literally have people waving Nazi flags among their ranks and don't denounce them.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by tmpz22 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:25AM (#42387982)
Watch the Behind the Bastards podcast on Alex Jones or read some of the testimony from his various cases. The amount of evidence burying him is incontrovertible. His actions before during and after are incontrovertible.

There’s a reason even the right wing hardliners abandoned this guy.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by elsonrodriguez on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:50AM (#42388965)
Alex has not been abandoned. Tucker Carlson is a frequent guest on his show, and they toured together recently.

More to the point he has Roger Stone and Steve Bannon on the show constantly, who in turn have direct access to Trump.

Alex is firmly within the mainstream of the right wing.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by hobs on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:08AM (#42387809)
Anyone defending Alex Jones in this case is either ignorant, a fool, or an absolute garbage human being.

I am going to pick ignorant in this case.

> “Folks, we got to get private investigators up to Sandy Hook right now. Because I’m telling you this — this stinks to highest heaven.”

> “Why did Hitler blow up the Reichstag — to get control! Why do governments stage these things — to get our guns! Why can’t people get that through their head?”

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by DiggyJohnson on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:08AM (#42389193)
Blanket statements like this are worse than useless. It's a nuanced discussion of damages, not a conversation of whether Alex Jones was right or wrong.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by marcusverus on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:57AM (#42388357)
This is a perfect example of why we can't share a country with progs. Gone are the good faith partners of yesteryear, those open-minded defenders of our liberal institutions! They've been replaced by hateful leftists, crybullies who happily wield institutions as weapons.

Surely it strikes you as odd that the "restorative justice" crowd, which is loathe to punish real crimes, gets all worked up in defending an obviously punitive and exorbitant settlement for... mean words?

The guiding principle is obvious--For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by pfannkuchen on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:22AM (#42388654)
I haven’t been following closely - I wonder if the people who made the death threats were charged? I haven’t heard anything about that.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by devops99 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:05AM (#42389156)
They'll never be charged. One of James O'Keefe's people caught some guy who works for CIA on video admitting that the lawfare against Alex Jones is to shut Alex Jones up and the CIA is involved. The video isn't hard to find.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by JacobThreeThree on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:03PM (#42389941)
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by devops99 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:04AM (#42389143)
> in such a way that he caused threats

In such a way that somebody else decided on their own do something...

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by stuaxo on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @12:19PM (#42390142)
I don't know about the US, but incitement to violence is a crime in other countries.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by samatman on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @01:41PM (#42391194)
It has fairly strict criteria which Mr. Jones emphatically did not meet. It's referred to as the Brandenburg test, or the "imminent lawless action" test, you can read more here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by devops99 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @04:46PM (#42393336)
Nothing he said could be construed as a call to violence by any sane and sober person. So it's moot anyway.