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Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by wakawaka28 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @02:08AM (#42385551)
There was no public auction of InfoWars. That alone is a stain on the whole process. The objective of a bankruptcy court is not to institute some arbitrary meta-ethical standard. It is to deliver maximum cash to the creditors in a fair manner.

>Is the issue that there are other creditors who are unhappy with this, who would get paid before the aggrieved families' damages would? The lawyers seem to be fine with it, as they're the ones advocating for this plan...

Based on discussions I've heard on this subject, a subset of the families was pledging money they didn't have in the non-competitive bidding. This is highly questionable. They may never receive the money they claim for the purchase. So by buying a real asset on the promise of money they aren't going to get, it is taking money away from other people who are rightfully owed money. If they wanted to do it the right way they could try to borrow the money from someone, but nobody in their right mind thinks Alex Jones has this money or ever did. The size of the judgement was calculated to lead to exactly this conclusion. As you said, the judgement was orders of magnitude more than the value of his company. So you should be satisfied with that. It is not necessary for the funniest possible outcome to manifest in order for justice to be served. Alex Jones will not go away because he has rights just like anyone else, and the legal process must conclude eventually.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by avs733 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @09:37AM (#42388126)
> There was no public auction of InfoWars. That alone is a stain on the whole process. The objective of a bankruptcy court is not to institute some arbitrary meta-ethical standard. It is to deliver maximum cash to the creditors in a fair manner.

Again, maximimum value not cash.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by wakawaka28 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:09AM (#42388483)
I say cash loosely speaking. You at least cannot pledge income from debt that is presently being negotiated down or cancelled. That kind of thing isn't "value" because it's imaginary.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by avs733 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @11:13AM (#42389267)
but you can pledge the debt itself.
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by freejazz on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @03:07PM (#42392266)
> I say cash loosely speaking

Is this a legal term or something? Not to be rude, but who cares what you mean by it? It's totally besides the point

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by wakawaka28 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:32AM (#42396776)
If you're talking to me or reading my comment then you should care what I mean. Otherwise you're wasting your time.

Obviously "loosely speaking" is not a legal term but I'm sure there is one that means the same. I mean you need real money to buy things, not bad paper. Bankruptcy does not exist to deliver good feels to people, it exists to settle financial matters as objectively as possible.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by freejazz on Thursday December 12, 2024 @11:09AM (#42400369)
Right. The debt owed to the creditors...
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by wakawaka28 on Friday December 13, 2024 @01:03AM (#42406270)
One reason to have an actual auction is because the liquidation might more than cover the debt and leave the bankrupt person with excess cash. But that only happens if real cash is generated in a competitive liquidation process. The reasons why this backroom dealing stinks are plentiful...
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by freejazz on Friday December 13, 2024 @11:21AM (#42409913)
The actual cash is orders of magnitude less than what the creditors are entitled to... did you read the article?
Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by shkkmo on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @03:10PM (#42392324)
This is completely false.

Debt can absolutely be sold for whatever it is worth. In this case, the Jones' debt owned by the Sandy Hook families is fairly valuable to Jones' other debtors because it means they get a bigger slice of the bankruptcy estate. Thus the Sandy Hook families can offer enough of their Jones' debt in the sale to make it more valuable. (Edit: more complicated than how I explained it because both sets of debtors include Sandy Hook families)

This isn't any more "imaginary" than money itself.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by cthalupa on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @10:30AM (#42388742)
> There was no public auction of InfoWars. That alone is a stain on the whole process.

Sealed bid auctions are not some absurd rarity in this sort of situation and I have no idea why you believe they are.

Re:Judge Refuses to Allow Sale of Infowars to The Onion by cogman10 on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @03:08PM (#42392285)
> There was no public auction of InfoWars

The auction was indeed very public. The bids were not.

The only requirement to participate was you had to show the Trustee that you were serious and had the means to participate. Only 2 parties did that.

The auction dates were published in newspapers and various news outlets announced that it was going to happen.