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Re:Software developer arrested in connection with murder of ... by brendoelfrendo on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @01:34AM (#42374365)
Innocent? No, he was a bad person with blood on his hands, made rich by the pain and suffering of the sick. Those people have families, too.

I think all of these things can be true. It is possible for one person to be ambivalent about the killing of a bad man, acknowledge that he had a family and that is unfortunate, and accept that the system is flawed and that systematic change is required to materially improve things.

Re:Software developer arrested in connection with murder of ... by ithkuil on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @04:16AM (#42375174)
I agree that the system needs to change.

I agree it's fair to criticize executives who are responsible for suffering.

But I also think we have to be very careful with the messaging about that.

Because I don't want to live in a society where we think that violence is an acceptable solution to injustice.

It doesn't lead to a good place.

Yes, sometimes it's necessary. But very very very rarely.

Re:Software developer arrested in connection with murder of ... by amanaplanacanal on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @05:32AM (#42375543)
Violence is always the solution. We just usually deputize the police and courts and prisons to do it for us.
Re:Software developer arrested in connection with murder of ... by ithkuil on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @07:15AM (#42376132)
Even that violence is better when minimized right?

You don't want police to apply excessive force. You won't want innocent bystanders to be shot by the police. You don't want the police to hurt people just because they think they may be guilty, etc. Those things do happen and when they happen people get upset and rightfully so.

Re:Software developer arrested in connection with murder of ... by hellojesus on Thursday December 12, 2024 @10:57PM (#42405809)
Violence is only necessary when people refuse to abide by the rules. If nobody was violent, cops wouldn't need to be. If people adhered to the system and went to jail whem convicted, there would be no problems. Violence begets violence. It is possible to craft a society where we leave it in our past.
Re:Software developer arrested in connection with murder of ... by autoexec on Tuesday December 10, 2024 @08:16PM (#42383660)
> Because I don't want to live in a society where we think that violence is an acceptable solution to injustice.

Personally, I'm with you. I absolutely don't want justice delivered via a mob or a vigilante without due process or the other protections that a fair justice system is supposed to provide us with.

This is why it's so important that congress, police, prosecutors, judges, and even juries do their jobs. If the people have no legal, accessible, and effective means to get justice they might resort to illegal means to get it. The longer people are denied justice, the more likely it is they'll take it into their own hands.

Re:Software developer arrested in connection with murder of ... by ithkuil on Wednesday December 11, 2024 @02:01AM (#42385519)
There are peaceful means to affect policy. But not only you have to vote for the right people, you also have to let candidates know what they have to promise in order to gain the votes.

This election cycle nobody quite focused on healthcare; more abstract culture wars were in focus instead.

You can't blame that on congress and on judges etc. The whole society is responsible. The way we talk (or not talk) to our relatives and neighbors has profound effects on the society you'll live in