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Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by hipadev23 on Saturday December 07, 2024 @01:52PM (#42351863)
What are the reasons to avoid Delaware?
Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by modeless on Saturday December 07, 2024 @02:00PM (#42351931)
Delaware's large amount of court precedent is seen as an advantage because it reduces uncertainty in litigation. But lately some of that precedent seems to be pretty restrictive on companies. In particular the recent decision to overrule the clear expressed preferences of Telsa shareholders and award $345 million (over $17,000 per hour) to lawyers representing one shareholder with nine shares has people questioning whether Delaware's court precedent is really an advantage.
Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by D13Fd on Saturday December 07, 2024 @02:22PM (#42352130)
It sounds like you are basing this on a single decision by a single judge facing a pretty unique situation.

Delaware still has the most certainty, by far. You are much better off there the vast majority of the time. Delaware has a court (the court of Chancery) that is specifically geared for rapid and thorough resolution of corporate disputes, with some of the absolute best and judges (the chancellor and vice chancellors) in the country.

If you want to screw around, try incorporating in another state (maybe even one with elected, political judges!) and see how that goes when a real dispute arises.

Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by refulgentis on Saturday December 07, 2024 @02:18PM (#42352085)
That stays general until it suddenly sharpens, which obfuscates that it's just the Tesla decision driving this idea.

It was interesting to me that it was considered a bedrock of corporate jurisprudence until then.

When faced with that contradiction, I first checked my premises...

Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by CLiED on Saturday December 07, 2024 @02:18PM (#42352084)
A judge might take your $50 billion options package if you incorporate there, a real risk to most of us.
Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by new_user_final on Saturday December 07, 2024 @02:34PM (#42352223)
It's over $100 billion now (due to Tesla stock price increase)
Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by refulgentis on Saturday December 07, 2024 @02:19PM (#42352098)
Well, they might take it if you don't have an independent board of directors, that you browbeat into it, and some shareholders sue, and are able to substantiate that to a judge via a long legal case. In that case, you might be upset, but your investors won't be.

EDIT: Some facts are too dangerous to share, because of how they make people feel.

Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by toomuchtodo on Saturday December 07, 2024 @05:42PM (#42353416)
It is highly unlikely anyone here will ever have to worry about this problem, the odds are worse than winning the lottery [1] [2]. ~90% of startups end up in failure [3], for example.

[1] https://medium.com/@13032765d/the-chance-of-becoming-a-billi... | https://archive.today/CwENd

[2] https://medium.com/@RisingUnicorns/reality-of-95-startup-fai... | https://archive.today/NCzaX

[3] https://www.ycombinator.com/library/D0-startups-for-students

Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by mmooss on Saturday December 07, 2024 @03:18PM (#42352557)
It's Elon Musk throwing around his power, this time trying to destroy Delaware courts because they ruled against him. The message is: If you challenge me, I'll attack you, no matter who you are.

To the degree it works is because for some reason, people follow him. Is the OP worried they won't get their $40 billion payday?

Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by singleshot_ on Saturday December 07, 2024 @01:59PM (#42351922)
Being Elon Musk, more or less.
Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by slavboj on Saturday December 07, 2024 @02:02PM (#42351958)
Based on their current behavior, if you become a politically targeted person, your company will be de facto removed from your control.
Re:Ask HN: Next best to incorporate other than Delaware? by Beijinger on Saturday December 07, 2024 @06:48PM (#42353796)
If you live in the US and not in Delaware, you likely have to register in your state as a foreign entity. So you double the work and fees.

I am not a lawyer or accountant.